Hello all.
The sniveling cowards who represent the old-line DNC forces on this blog have again…in emulation of the way the the DNC essentially zeroed out Bernie Sanders in 2016…zeroed out a comment of mine.
But…since they started doing this, I have been saving every thread that contains one of my comments or replies, because I absolutely refuse to be silenced by the kinds of people who essentially brought us Donald Trump with their shortsightedness, hubris and their own entirely self-protective interests. The thread was Booman’s Trump Calls Andrew Gillum a Thief, and poster Raoul Paste made this comment:
Trump is desperate, and I’m sure the lies will be even more hateful in the next few days.
If all of his hair would fall out this week, I would become a believer in cosmic justice.by Raoul Paste on Mon Oct 29th, 2018 at 03:26:05 PM EST
I liked that comment, and was struck by how funny it would look of all of Trump’s hair fell out.
Read on for my own (zeroed-out) reply:
Comic justice, too!!!
But…to be fair “Pot calls kettle black!!!” is not a new meme.
In this case, of course, it’s more like “Almost universally recognized billionaire thief calls mainstream pol who may have cut a corner or two a thief.”
I mean…even Trump’s supporters know he’s crooked. They just think that he’s their crook. This is very similar to the way impoverished ghetto-dwellers historically support their own gangster groups.
And…it always turns out nasty. Out of sheer greed, eventually the crooks so cross their constituents that the real deal becomes apparent, and then…only then…are the marks outraged.
I don’t know if we can afford to wait long enough for that to happen with Trump and his 27+%, though. I actually believe that his lieutenants will do him in…one way or another…once they see him seriously to steer the ship of state straight for the shoals.
Let us pray that this happens soon. I mean…even if the Dems pulled the upset of all time next week and took both houses and a bunch of governorships, they’re still run by the neocentrist (and laughably incompetent) DNC controllers, and the opposition to Trump would crawl along at the usual DC snail’s pace because the centrists of both parties do not want to get caught with their own pants down. That would give Trump at least two more years to pile-drive the government into total failure.
Let us pray…
AG
Not until faithfulness turns to betrayal-and betrayal into trust-can any human being become part of the truth. — Rumi
by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Mon Oct 29th, 2018 at 04:00:50 PM EST
Do not sit by and let this blog be bullied and transformed into dKos Lite/DNCman Tribune by only a few of its members. Call them on their actions!!! The next few years are going to be a turning point of some sort for this country. It’s either going to regress to full Reagan/Trump reactionary bullshit or it is going to open up past the neoliberal/neocentrist/UniParty DC swamper lines that so seriously failed it and thus led to Trumpism.
Open up to a real “people’s” republic.
Fight censorship on all levels!!!
As Lenny Bruce so presciently said, “If you can’t say “fuck,”, you can’t say “Fuck the government!!!”
Thank you and goodnight…
AG
. . . works as intended and designed. Like smoke detectors and fire alarms, needs occasional testing to make sure it’s still working like it’s supposed to.
You write:
If you mean that “the ratings system”…as it was originally set up on dKos to eliminate any and all opposition to the DNC-dominated neocentrist cabal that was tasked with making sure that the oh-so-loyal DemRat-allied sheeple never woke the fuck up to the idea that they were being led to the globalist killing shed…then yes. You are quite right.
In you usual “wrong” sort of way.
But the tide has turned, arguebonita.
Bet on it.
Today?
Tomorrow?
Whenever…
Eventually, if the arc of moral universe does indeed…in MLK Jr’s words…”bend toward justice”…then (much as Hitler’s own little, horrifically deformed “moral universe”), the contradictions between real “morality” and the predatory actions of the neocentrist middle will bring their own karmic balance into play.
And then?
Then there will hell to pay.
Be very careful on which side of the karmic debt you ally yourself.
I am.
Bet on it.
AG
. . . ridiculous gobbledygook you pulled out of your ass and then tried, absurdly and dishonestly, to attribute to me.
It’s in fact obvious what I mean: the rating system booman built into the site when he started it, and its stated purposes, as explained in the user information available to everyone here.
I couldn’t give a flying fuck about dkos. But having apparently been kicked out of there at some point (gosh, just impossible to imagine why; though pretty confident based on what I’ve witnessed here that your telling is inaccurate in self-serving ways!), it seems evident your universe now revolves around that oh-so-critical life-changing event, despite it having no relevance whatsoever to what I wrote above. I do find it (mildly) interesting that you and your two factional fellow-travelers all seem to share this bizarre, irrelevant obsession, though.
I too do not give a flying shit about dKos, O arguing one. The only time I ever think of it is when neocentrist fools try to censor those who disagree with them on this blog. It is a flyspeck on the window of my own life.
But I will not be censored.
AG
. . . astonishingly long list of words whose meaning you don’t (or pretend not to) understand, I see.
This recent reply to a cfdj comment remains quite apt for your part in this abortion of a “standalone article”‘s (LOL!) thread, too:
Or, to reprise my own simile: the false equivalency of your ridiculous purity policing in the face of an existential crisis is like refusing to accept and pass along the bucket from the person next to you in the brigade because s/he extended it to you with the wrong (to your preference) hand . . . while the house burns down.
Job one is to put out the fire. Then the zoning and building codes that allowed or encouraged it in the first place can be addressed.
We’ve been over this before, but here we are again. You do not understand the concept of karma. People can’t invoke karma against those they disagree with. That’s essentially the opposite of how karma works.
If you support the neocentrist, DNC wing of the Democratic Party, then it is you who don’t understand karma, centristfield. Any kid on any ghetto street understands the statement “What goes around comes around,” and thus understands the basis of the concept of karma better than do you.
The Democratic Party as it now stands…shakily, at best…is dominated by an old guard that is itself guilty of supporting the globalist, corporate, PermaWar economic system now in place in the United States. So many lives have been lost or ruined by this system since that group came to power in the Clinton years…internationally and domestically…that the appearance of Donald Trump in a position of power is only the tip of the karmic iceberg upon which this country is about to crash if it does not change its direction.
Keep on sniping, centristfield. You’re certainly doing your job with every snipe…the job of illustrating the absolute emptiness of the people who control the current Democratic Party and their supporters.
Thank you for your service.
AG
P.S. Zeroing my comments out will only serve to bring your impotence into sharper focus for those that frequent this blog, because every time you do it, I will repost the comment in an article which will get much more attention than did the original post.
Great work, centristfield.
You and your little sniper buddies?
Keep it up.
You are like tiny versions of Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton, people who lose votes for the Democratic Party every time they open their mouths or even appear in public.
Nice.
As I’ve been observing, here you are at this progressive community, now less than a week before the most crucial midterm election of our lifetimes, attempting to suppress votes for the only viable candidates who can take power from Republicans and provide checks and oversight on Trump and his Administration’s loathsome agenda and behaviors, all while offering no good faith critiques of Democrats and no alternative which can help us take power from the Trump movement.
This is all very trollish of you.
Sexist, racist, old white man right wing assholes gotta stick together, I suppose.
Do you have any idea how many times I’ve heard “the most crucial election of our lifetimes” ?
Most crucial for someone’s off shore accounts for sure. Foe working people of ALL colors – same old choice of Scylla and Charybdis.
. . . bias”.
You write:
I guess it depends on what you call “viable,” centristfield. If you mean replacing Trumpist allies with people who are allied with a DNC that has consistently failed to stop the U.S. War Machine from chewing up millions of lives…internationally and domestically…I got some
“checks and balances” that would go over real big in the decimated communities of the Third World. Again, including the U.S.-created
“Third World” that is stuck inside of failed major city ghettos, rust belt poverty areas and thousands of smaller towns and suburbs throughout the country.
Checks and balances like…ooooh, like say:
1- Openly and strongly opposing the hideous and wasteful overfunding of the U.S. military and intelligence operations, including bringing the troops home to work on our rapidly collapsing infrastructure, using the saved overfunding money for that purpose.
2-Instituting a real, decades-long push for better public schooling, especially in the minority ghettos.
3-Instituting a real, public examination of how the this country’s major politicians become multi-millonaires, including an examination of their off-shore (and other tax haven) hustles.
I support any politician of any party who wants to do these sorts of things, no matter what our corporate-owned, rotted-out media system has been paid to say about them.
Sad to say, the Clintons, Schumer and Pelosi appear to me to be likely among the first to fall…along with many RatPublican hustlers…if those sorts of approaches were to prove to be vote magnets.
All of those despised “non-voters?” They’d turn out in hordes if a believable national politician were to base a candidacy on concepts like that.
But NOOOOoooo…
You continue to bleat your sheepleish support for the Dem fakers.
And the hits just keep on coming.
So it goes…
AG
P.S. I repeat:
Re-posting the link:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/10/how-trump-is-winning-the-midterm-elections.html#comments
Notice how diverse opinion is without soi-disant “troll ratings”?
Oh weird, the site that traffics in insane conspiracy theories doesn’t moderate the insane conspiracy theorists. WHOCOODANONE?
Insane conspiracy theories?
I went there and saw none.
Oh…you must mean positions with which you do not agree.
Sorry…I personally find zero ratings to be insane unless they are aimed at people trying to sell something or truly stupid postings.
But…wait a minute!!!
You must think that I am truly stupid. I feel the same about you, of course, but…in the spirit of free speech…I do not downrate anyone very often. Even you. Y’see…I think that “the stupid” dig their own grave with every sentence.
Dig on.
AG
Name them. With links.
AG
You could just google “moon of alabama” + “russia”.
Or follow this insane link and read all the previous insane links lower on the same page.
To believe any side to a story like this in a Post-Truth media world is the only insanity available. You appear to “believe” the British/U.S. spooks and “disbelieve” anyone who has tired of being fed bullshit.
It is not “insane conspiracy theory” to disbelieve statements from intelligence services of any country.
It is simple common sense.
Even our idiot prince Bush II knew that idea well enough to mangle it:
If you believe corporate-owned, intelligence-controlled mass media propaganda, you are living in a fool’s world.
Russia? The Brits? The U.S.? They are all guilty, all of the time.
Misinformation?
Disinformation?
Fools gold.
Nothing more and nothing less.
WTFU.
AG
This has nothing to do with rational skepticism and everything to do with credulously falling for the most ridiculous conspiracy theories. The particular story I linked to is ludicrous on its face and fell apart in hours, yet the author and an army of delusional nuts in the commentary fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
When you abandon critical thinking you simply make yourself a mark for frauds, propagandists and charlatans. A sucker.
I repeat:
If you believe corporate-owned, intelligence-controlled mass media propaganda, you are living in a fool’s world.
Sheeple on.
AG
A wonderful answer. Some actor making a face.
Live by the media, die by the media, marduk.
Shallow as a fishbowl.
AG
. . . critical thinking, you’d have to have had and used that skill in the first place.
So it isn’t really possible for ag to “abandon critical thinking”.
That’s the whole point, isn’t it?
“Only sheeple trust the spooks” naively sounds like a reasonable position but “therefore believe any random bullshit that is the opposite of what the spooks say” is the most embarrassing nonsense.
. . . original making of that point. Just pointing out that it’s not really possible to “abandon” something you never had, that’s all.
Which does remind me, though, of having once formulated what you describe here as
Indeed!!!
AG
Some sane commentary on the mid-terms:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/10/how-trump-is-winning-the-midterm-elections.html#comments
The PeeWee Herman-level invective is fitting . . . and typical.
But it didn’t “work,” arguebonita. It just made the post more visible.
Great work…
AG
. . . and the robust exposures thereof herein.
Plus some entertainment was had (at your expense, sure, but entertaining all the same).
Hilarious you think that’s a “win” for you!
I withhold judgment on Arthur’s true identity and motives, but pretty obviously his writing would potentially discourage people from voting for Democrats. It’s sort of remarkable that he disputes this. He seems to be the bearer of the torch here for that sort of writing now that people like marie3 have vanished. (I was away from this site for several months owing to a familial crisis and when I returned, she was gone.)
And he’s all confused about karma, as someone else noted. Karma isn’t a cosmic balance sheet. It’s the “law” of cause and effect in the moral and ethical sphere.
You write:
What I am saying here is not meant to “discourage people from voting for Democrats.” It is meant to discourage people from voting for bad Democrats.
Lying Democrats.
Neocentrist Democrats.
Crooked Democrats.
And…it is meant to encourage those who see the truth of the matter regarding the UniParty-allied DNC and want to truly change things in this country rather than hoist up palliatives like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, people whose “public” and “private” pronouncements and actions are borderline criminal at best.
You are right about one thing, though.
It also affects the physical sphere. Bet on it. Prolonged, successful criminalities…and I count war crimes as the worst of all criminalities…eventually produce serious negative consequences in the real world. The U.S. has been actively “war crimeing” since at least the Korean War, loading up on karmic debts that will eventually result in “What goes around, comes around” actions that will contain serious consequences.
Unless…
Unless…
Unless…
Unless some miracle happens and the American people rise up and kick the bastards out. All of them, regardless of party affiliation, race, sex or creed.
Ain’t gonna happen this time…not enough to make much of a difference, anyway. The Scylla and Charybdis parties will not be basically bothered by a few successful red-to-blue votes. Bet on that as well.
2020?
Let us pray.
It is often said that hindsight is always 20/20. I’m rooting for 2020 foresight, myself.
You?
AG
By the way, Arthur, quoting yourself–especially the way you do it, with long, bold-face passages–is incredibly tacky. If you didn’t convince people first time round, repeating yourself isn’t going to change things.
If a number of people here hadn’t so gleefully spun out this thread with backbiting criticisms I wouldn’t feel the need to requote myself.
This thing has grown so long it’s chore to search through it.
“Tacky?”
A simple solution…
If you don’t like it, don’t read it.
Later…
AG
You ought to follow your own advice about not reading what you dislike.
If I wasn’t being censored by these people, I would indeed pay them no mind.
AG
Just as I pay the media that they trance-follow no mind, other than quick glances to see which way the PermaGov winds are blowing and what latest dangers are being threatened by Trump.
AG
P.S. Centristfield has once again attempted to zero out my reply above. He may be successful if he can find another spineless neocentrist to join him, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory. I’ll just include it in a standalone post.
Their attempts at censorship will bear the same fruits as did the HRC-controlled DNC’s attempts to make Bernie Sanders go away. They strengthen the Trumpist hand when they cheat like that, plus…very much like Bernie Sanders only a much smaller level…I’m gonna outlast them.
Bet on it.
2020?
Here we come!!!
AG
You’re here obsessing about Bernie and 2020 when the 2018 midterms are days away. What a fucking asshole.
You’re doing nothing to help any 2018 campaign for a Democratic Party candidate or issue now. How drearily predictable.
Your preferred Democratic Party POTUS candidate for 2020 would carry Ron Paul’s noxious policy platform. You remain a proud evangelist for Paul’s racist, sexist and oligarchic agenda.
Since such a candidate will have zero chance of making any hay in the Dem nomination fight, if you are still alive and trolling us here in 2020 we can predict with 100% certitude that you will be attempting to drive wedges in this community, our Movement and our Party. We can be most certain you will be doing this in 2020 if Trump is the nominee. That’s because Trump scratches each and every one of your extremely regressive, racist, sexist, old white man itches.
Dividing the progressive movement is what will be needed for Republicans to win in 2020, so you will attempt to divide the progressive movement then, just as you are attempting to do now.
His preferred 2020 candidate is Trump. Full stop.
My “preferred candidate” in 2020…win or lose…will be someone who opposes the Permanent War regime under which we have been living…and dying…since the Dulles brothers and the rise of the CIA.
All others? On all supposed sides of the mainstream UniParty?
Just different shades of red.
Blood red.
It has to end.
People who call themselves “progressive” while simultaneously supporting the controllers who run the Democratic Party as it stands today are either fooling themselves or on the take.
Or both.
Either way, they have the blood of millions on their hands.
Congratulations.
Great work.
Who do you support, Marduk?
Someone “pragmatic,” I suppose.
A “winner.”
Someone who will not rock the boat.
A good centrist.
A polite centrist.
You know…well mannered.
Well spoken.
Respectable
Bright.
Like Obama.
Another nice war criminal on the make.
Y’all disgust me.
Over and out.
AG
Thanks for the confirmation, worm.
It’s true, this brief list of AG’s demands are elemental descriptions of Trump.
The darkly hilarious thing is that Arthur comes here every day to organize for Trump and Republicans to retain maximum power, even though Trump and Republicans have drastically increased the feeding of the “Permanent War regime”. Arthur is lying about what most deeply motivates his political rhetoric.
Note that Arthur’s list of demands do not include Medicare for All, or a restoration of the Voting Rights Act, or changes in the Supreme Court and elsewhere so we can pass strong and durable campaign finance reform, or greater rights for workers and Unions, or a broad set of laws and regulations which help us lead the response to climate change, or…
Arthur’s decision to exclude these issues is because he opposes progressive policies. He’s a Ron Paul evangelist. Ron Paul is an extremist opponent of all these things.
Arthur opposes unemployment insurance. Arthur has declared Cliven Bundy “…fucking right…” without exception. Arthur opposes Federal civil rights laws. Arthur believed African-Americans were better off when Jim Crow laws were in effect. Arthur believes States should be freed to force juvenile incest victims to carry the pregnancies caused by their rapes to term.
He’s on the Trump Train all the way. It’s SAD! that Arthur has decided to be a despicable liar and attempt to hide his preferences for sexist, racist policies. His real preferences for these policies leak through all the same.
You write:
Yeah, right!!!
I wrote:
The only way that Trump will “bring the troops home” will be if he thinks that he can get away with using them domestically…which what he’s trying to do with troops stationed in the U.S. right now by his totally politically-driven anti-caravan hustle at the Mexican border.
If Trump stays in power, the U.S. will become a totally militarized state on the Israeli model, with South/Central Americans taking the place of the Palestinians as the excuse for militarization. And if that is successfully accomplished, the next internal targets will by all people of color.
Bet on it.
i asked marduk a question above.
I will ask it of you, as well.
Who do you support within the Democratic Party in 2020?
I support the Sanders/Warren wing, myself. If any people equally serious about cleaning out the DC swamp and the PermaWar establishment…regardless of political affiliation…rise to national prominence in the future I will support them as well.
You?
AG
P.S. I got no answer from marduk.
Can bots feel shame? (There’s a movie in that idea, come to think of it. An AI develops emotional consciousness and refuses to hustle its ordained hustle. HMMMmmmm…)
Can you feel shame?
Apparently not.
How can you expect us to believe you support the Sanders/Warren wing of the Democratic Party on a policy basis? They are supporters of progressive Federal government programs and structures. You are not.
You’re a Ron Paul evangelist who has declared here that you support voter ID laws and oppose a Federal guarantee of a woman’s right to choose. Sanders is a champion of Medicare for All; Paul opposed the existing Medicare program.
We’re busy campaigning for the 2018 general election. You are not. I’m not interested in conducting a 2020 POTUS nominee discussion with such a ludicrously dishonest person.
More ludicrous dishonesty from you:
“If Trump stays in power, the U.S. will become a totally militarized state on the Israeli model, with South/Central Americans taking the place of the Palestinians as the excuse for militarization. And if that is successfully accomplished, the next internal targets will by all people of color.”
If you gave a flying fuck about any people of color anywhere, you would not have propagandized for Trump’s election in 2016, and you would not have continued to propagandize for him and his GOP partners to keep and increase their power through 2017 and 2018, up until this exact moment, less than a week from Election Day.
I am an independent, centristfield. My own preference would have been for Obama starting a process the day he took office that would have frogmarched all of the Blood For Oil war profiteers right into prison if not execution….regardless of political affiliation!!! Had he done that…or had he even tried to do it…this country and this world would both be better places.
But he didn’t.
He was a “centrist,” just like the war criminals that he did not prosecute.
So now I go looking.
Looking for anyone who has even a clue about how to escape from the multinational, corporatist yoke under which we now labor.
Since the words ?liberal” and “conservative” no longer have any meaning whatsoever…not as far as I am concerned, anyway…I support those of any party (including independents) who appear to me to have the most important goals in mind and even a shred of a chance of doing so. And the very first goal that must be accomplished if we are not to end the world in a nuclear and/or environmental catastrophe is to end the funding…and thus control…of elections by the very same powers that are taking the world down, one step at a time.
You evidently do not see this.
Too bad.
I ask again…who do you support in this battle?
Time for some truth from you.
Which side are you on?
The corporatist, neocentrist side?
If you are still capable of some shred of honesty, an honest answer would be welcome.
If not?
No change…
AG
We’ve established that you’re not engaging in good faith. You wish to remake the Democratic Party so that it reflects the Ron Paul agenda. No one here wants Ron or Rand Paul as the 2020 Democratic Party nominee. No one has announced their candidacy for the 2020 Democratic Party POTUS nomination. Given these things, why would we want to engage on that subject with you?
We’re occupied right now trying to deal with the terrific damage being done by the toxic conservative movement; no time for your baloney.
“Since the words ?liberal” and “conservative” no longer have any meaning whatsoever…”? Good Lord, what utter nonstop bad faith horseshit.
Re. this:
“Time for some truth from you.
Which side are you on?
The corporatist, neocentrist side?”
I’m a Union organizer, you dolt. My movement does battle with economic royalists every day. You, on the other hand, have shown no care at all to defend the rights and increase the power of working people. Ron Paul despises the Labor movement, so this carelessness of yours is no surprise.
You oppose unemployment insurance. It is difficult to come up with a more corporatist, neocentrist policy belief than forcing unemployed people into even more severe deprivations than they currently suffer.
. . . captures ag perfectly (though not exhaustively: see, e.g., dishonest, by far the worst of his sins), in a nutshell. Could not be put more pithily than that.
“Pithily?”
“Pissily,” actually.
AG
. . . Meant what I wrote.
Even more to the point, it’s accurate just the way I wrote it.
You keep using that word but I don’t think it means what you think. How can you claim with a straight face that you are being censored when you post to this site constantly. No matter how absurd or insulting, you’re still allowed to post.
Also too, http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2018/11/its-not-vote-shaming-its-telling-you.html
Arthur is essentially the only community member here who posts comments so trollsome and offensive in multiple ways that they gain troll ratings from multiple community members, causing them to disappear.
Historically, I have not frequently given troll ratings to AG’s comments. I prefer to undermine his ability to persuade the community through engagements in the discussion threads. He is earning all the responses he is getting, though, including the troll ratings.
Arthur Gilroy is such a fundamentally dishonest person. It is possible to make some of the complaints and attacks he makes in good faith. He is not doing that. His ideology is way to the right of literally anybody who posts frequently here, yet he attempts to lodge his complaints and attacks from the left. He’s not an “independent”, he’s a sexist, racist, right wing reactionary, and a sack of shit liar.
. . . an asshole.
He persistently chooses the contrary.