Perhaps it is not shocking that only thirteen House Republicans voted for a Joint Resolution on Tuesday that terminates presidential Proclamation 9844, which Donald Trump issued to declare a national emergency at the southern border. I guess whether you’re surprised or not depends on how cynical you are about the Republican Party. Either way, if reporting on Vice-President Mike Pence’s Tuesday meeting with the Senate GOP Caucus is accurate, there could be more support on a percentage-basis when the Resolution is taken up in the Senate.
One of the most vocal critics of the administration in the meeting with Pence was Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky who is known for his libertarian family brand. He could eventually vote for the Resolution, but first he’ll apparently have to invest the fifteen seconds it takes to read it.
Undecided senators were mostly non-committal on how they will vote in interviews on Tuesday. The strongest remarks came from Paul, but even he wasn’t ready to join GOP Sens. Thom Tillis of North Carolina, Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska in pledging to vote for the resolution.
“I haven’t looked at the bill yet, but I am against emergency powers,” Paul said.
Since there are already three Republican senators on the record as supporting the Resolution, the president can hope to do no better than 50-50 on the roll call. Supposedly, there are as many as ten GOP senators who are leaning towards voting ‘aye,’ but they don’t want to announce their support and get blamed for tipping the balance against Trump.
As many as 10 Senate Republicans could support a resolution of disapproval if a vote were held today, according to four GOP senators who attended the lunch and heard Republican senators’ complaints. That’s far more than the four needed to pass the legislation on a simple majority and force Trump to issue the first veto of his presidency. Currently there are three public “yes” votes in the Senate GOP conference…
…More than a half-dozen Republican senators are mulling voting for the resolution, though they are hesitant to become the deciding vote to defy Trump and make an announcement…
I may be wrong about this, but I truly believe that there will be a bigger price to pay for Republican senators who stood by this president than those who challenged him. I think this will even be true among Republican voters in Republican primaries. It may not feel that way right now. In fact, I’m sure these conservative lawmakers are being strongly encouraged by their supportive constituents to back and defend Donald Trump against his detractors. In the end, though, I suspect that there will be almost no penalty for having bucked Trump after he is gone. Trump’s role in the party will be scrubbed even more thoroughly than George W. Bush’s was after he left office.
So, I think it’s now only cowardly of the Republican senators to cower in fear, but actually counterproductive. One day, they’ll get some mileage if they can say they cast the deciding vote against Trump’s fake border emergency. It’s too bad they’re so bad at predicting the future.
. . . on an “aye” vote by Banana Republican Senators.
Open question is whether that vote by history “trumps” the votes in their next primaries.
This would require long-run thinking, but in the long run we’re all dead. Meanwhile it’s hard to let go of a tiger when you’ve got him by the ears. Their short-run self-interest requires that they hang on, and pray that shit holds together long enough to get to the next election.
True that Bush was scrubbed and so will Trump be eventually. So was Nixon for that matter. Scrub and scrub and scrub but nothing really gets cleaned up and nothing changes, and that’s the point. The more important question for the GOP Senators is: What happened to the Senators who supported Bush and his war? The only one I can think of that paid a price was Clinton.
If they can just keep their heads down and do whatever is expedient, they’ll do fine — more or less.
. . . you better hope you’re on its back.
If you think the GOP will pretend they were “Never Trump” all along of course that’s right. They will all have been in the Resistance. Like all former “good Nazis” “I was never a member of the Nazi Party!” ‘
Or as Monty Python put it: Mr. Bimmler: ‘I was sick all during war and unable to go to Nuremberg.'”
But, right now, it’s October 1944 and they are all declaring their undying love and loyalty to the Fuhrer. We’re a long way away from any reckoning for Trump’s crimes. And his allies will never pay any price for supporting him, unless we manage to simply push them out of power.
But, clearly that won’t be because they supported Trump and he’s a crook.
There’s nothing substantive to my comment but I just wanted to butt in to say it’s nice to read something other than the “we’re doomed, abandon all hope ye who enter here” stuff that seems to have become so prevalent on many liberal sites. (Taking the form of “Trump will win in 2020 and there’s nothing to stop it.”)
Thank you.
Sorry, mea culpa here – Believe me I am happy to be wrong on this and I hope you are right.
I’m not saying there’s no reason to be concerned, but some blogs (I don’t want to name names – most bloggers don’t really make a living at it and it’s their blogs, so they can write whatever they want) are seizing on anything. I read one a few days ago citing a poll showing that a third-party candidate (the coffee guy – I forget his name) would draw off more support from the Democrat than Trump, and took it as a sign that the election is over. Since there’s no “Democratic candidate” yet that poll is just silly, but the writer went on at length about how it mean we’re finished. Just an example.
Howard Schultz. But you may remember, Butch, that Schultz got slammed all over the place for being an obnoxious billionaire. I’m betting he has decided to just forget about it but we’ll see.
Trump’s role in the party will be scrubbed ….
I don’t see this happening unless there is a major economic downturn, as happened with Bush.
The pro-Trump drumbeat, and the ignore-reality message is being cranked up to 11 at Fox with ever-increasing anger. Their audience is thoroughly conditioned- pretty hard to turn that ship around.
But who knows, maybe Rupert Murdoch dies and there’s a huge makeover at Fox.
I agree. The Republicans will do a thorough job scrubbing Donald Trump (D) from their collective memories.
Ever the optimist, aren’t you?
I’m feeling sort of the opposite- I think that our politics has been irrevocably broken. The status quo isn’t returning. If Trump goes, there might be a Republican placeholder or two, but eventually it will be back to a demagogue, probably another billionaire (it is the party of mammon after all). Republicans understand very well that democracy isn’t in their favor, and they will continue to exploit the anti-democratic institutions and processes in our system (the courts, the electoral college, the Senate, the broken election finance system, etc…) to try to maximize their power given their obvious minority status. Also, it’s not like the alternate reality media bubble that enabled Trump is going away anytime soon.
Sure, if Trump starts reeking bad enough, they will distance themselves from him- they are politicians after all, but I don’t think it is going to change the nature of their party. And as usual, the biggest lesson criminals learn from other criminals is: “don’t get caught”
The only policies that Republicans campaign and will enact while in office are those that make life miserable for everyone who isn’t a part of the Republican tribe. Adam Silverman calls this herrenvolkism: system of white supremacy where white, (evangelical and some traditionalist Catholic*) Christians rule and everyone else is either tolerated in a less than first class citizenship status or is removed from American society.
When Tom Cotton wins the nomination in 2024, he’s going to run on a Trumpist platform. The racism/antisemitism/misogyny that Donald accelerates won’t be abandoned. Republicans may end up abandoning Trump, but his particular synthesis of white supremacy, tax cuts for the wealthy, and hatred of all liberals or anyone who isn’t a part of the tribe is the new gold standard for Republican politicians. Romney and Bush and Sasse and Flake have no influence. Hell, Tucker Carlson could probably secure the nomination in 2024- anyone who triggers the libs hard enough has a good shot.
Tom Cotton is especially dangerous. Individual-1 is a despot, but largely incompetent. Still dangerous and still capable of doing a lot of damage, but I am guardedly optimistic that our republic can withstand what remains of his regime. Cotton actually understands how all this stuff works, and having seen its weaknesses, he’ll know where to land all the right blows – ending the US as we know it in the process.
You’re right about him likely to mount a 2024 Presidential campaign. His whole political career has been nothing but prep for that moment. We’ll need to bring our A game when that moment arises, for the sake of the nation. I doubt the Arkansas Democratic Party will be even in remote shape to nominate a serious challenger to Cotton’s Senatorial re-election campaign in 2020, let alone defeat him (that would potentially derail his ambitions a bit). The party there is still very much in the beginning stages of rebuilding after a long time of neglect, so expect him to cruise to re-election and to have his Presidential campaign infrastructure in place shortly thereafter.
Cotton is pretty fucking dumb. Not Trump like dumb but dumb nonetheless. I’m not sure there is a competent one among all of them. They just know not to say the quiet parts out loud.
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