In May 2010, I wrote a piece about the uninspiring choice Pennsylvania progressives were facing as they tried to decide who they should support as their nominee for U.S. Senate. On one side, there was their longtime nemesis, Arlen Specter, who had defected from the GOP and was endorsed by Barack Obama. On the other side was Rep. Joe Sestak, a retired admiral who embraced the netroots community but who was increasingly known by political insiders to be a tyrannical and abusive boss. In the following excerpt, I explained my personal experiences with Sestak and why I found him so hard to support. I bring this up now to demonstrate that anything I might say about how Sen. Amy Klobuchar treats her staff should not be interpreted as some double standard that I apply to women but would never apply to a man.
This ambivalence is actually a pretty good reflection of how progressives are approaching this race here in Pennsylvania. There’s very little love on the left for Arlen Specter. But nearly half the activists I know are at least considering voting for him (including some of his most vituperative critics). That might be incomprehensible to people who live outside the state, but it has a lot to do with unease people have with Sestak.
Rather than try to characterize a visceral feeling in others, I will describe my own. I first encountered Sestak at the inaugural Yearly Kos convention in Las Vegas. The first thing that struck me was his soft voice and supremely calm demeanor. It was the exact opposite of what I expected from an admiral. It didn’t compute for me, and it made it hard for me trust him. It reminded me of the Serenity Now episode of Seinfeld. You know? Serenity now, insanity later. In other words, Sestak’s calm seemed like a forced effort to hide a volcanic temper. That was back when Sestak was merely a candidate for office. Once in office, he immediately began abusing his staff by making them work ridiculous hours at about the lowest pay-rate on Capitol Hill. It didn’t take me long to hear about it. He went through five press secretaries and a couple of chiefs of staff in his first year. I felt that my first impression of Sestak had been correct. He campaigns like he’s Mr. Rogers but behind the scenes he’s real son-of-a-bitch hard-ass. I don’t trust people like that, and a lot of people here feel the same way.
My first impression of Amy Klobuchar was much different than my first impression of Joe Sestak. I found him odd and disconcerting. Klobuchar struck me as kind, empathetic and friendly. As I wrote nine years ago, I was not surprised to learn that Sestak was privately much different from the image he projected in public. With Senator Klobuchar, I confess that I was shocked to see the severity of this distinction.
For clarity, I concluded my Specter/Sestak piece by disclosing that I was too much of a Yellow Dog Democrat to seriously consider voting for Arlen Specter in a primary against an actual Democrat. However uncomfortable Sestak’s behavior made me feel, I still saw him as preferable to a person whose whole career had been dedicated to advancing the Republican Party’s priorities. What I really wanted back then was a third choice.
I’ve considered Klobuchar an intriguing politician for many years, and have long considered her as a potentially strong presidential candidate. The revelations about how she treats her staff have changed how I view her and also changed how I assess her prospects of winning the nomination or the presidency.
On a personal level, I care a lot about how powerful people treat their employees. On an analytical level, I think this cuts into Klobuchar’s strength in a fatal way. She was easily the most likable candidate in the field, and we all know that the most likable candidate almost always wins. That advantage is largely obliterated now, which leaves her competing with other candidates whose calling cards remain intact. Maybe she can rebrand as exactly the tough S.O.B the party needs to take on the Republicans, but that’s going to require a total makeover of her image.
That might work in a two-way race against a former Republican, but there are now about thirty Democrats running for the nomination. It’s relatively easy to discard the abusive boss and look for other options.
Thanks for that comparison with Sestak, but it seems inevitable that descriptions of Klobuchar are going to call her a bitch, a witch, a shrew, whatever misogynist term comes to the writers’ mind. I don’t support Klobuchar, but neither will I support candidates who let their campaign workers make misogynist attacks on Klobuchar.
I’m not shocked. As I have noted here previous, my family had a poor experience with her when asking for help and turned to Franken and did recieve help. This isnt to say thats why Im not shocked. Simply that because of the personal experience I didnt have existing ideas about her that needed to be torn down. Regardless she seemed like the designated “centrist” in the field so if she gets little traction I wont worry much.
I wpuld like to see if Vox is willing to consider her issues through a lense other than sexism. The examples they used ladt time, including McCain and Rahmbo well…. I thought those people were dicks on a petsonal level long ago so no double standard for them.
Respectfully disagree. Winning the Pesidency is very very difficult and we cannot afford to dismiss candidates over these types of issues. Yes the stories are bad. Yes it is likely she isn’t as nice as she comes across on TV. But if we dismiss the assholrs we will end up with someone nice and boring. And while nice and boring may win the nomination (Gore, Kerry, Dukakis) it will lose the Presidency. We cannot lose in 2020 and therefore we cannot afford to assume we can dismiss strong candidates out of hand.
Amy Klobuchar won her last election by more than the Dem average vs anyone else currently running. We need her in the mix!
We need someone people can get passionate about to ein, thats not Klobuchar.
My basic argument is she consistently wins by more than the Dem average expected vote. She has outperformed in every election so far. So whether any one of us is passionate about her is irrelevant since she wins big with regularity.
I want winners in the mix. I’m not saying she needs to win the nomination but I want her there pushing the competition to meet her tough credentials. I do not want us to preemptively eliminate any of our strong candidates and she is one.
I have big regrets for my early stance on Franken and I don’t want us to make that mistake again.
Cheers!
You’re misreading what Booman wrote.
If running against a republican in the election, he will support her, but right now, in the primaries, there is a plethora of better options.
That pretty much sums up my opinion.
Temperament matters.
This is particularly important in this cycle, when we will have the most intemperate person imaginable on the GOP side. Remember Obama, who always kept his cool. Was that his true personality? Who knows….but People were fully prepared to absolutely destroy him if he visibly lost his poise, because of the whole `angry black man’ trope that American culture so loves.
Sorry to say, but similar rules apply to women. The republicans will take full advantage of these tropes, and the main stream media will be enthusiastic in helping. After all, it worked with Clinton.
I will happily vote for her if she is the nominee, but never vote for her in the primaries.
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Hi I don’t think I am misreading Booman. And I’m not saying anyone needs to vote for Amy. I am saying we can’t afford to dismiss any of our strong candidates right now. I don’t want us to do to Amy what we did to Al.
I now believe our dismissal of Al Franken for boorish behavior was a mistake, and I believe doing the same to Amy Klobuchar would also be a mistake.
Cheers!
`Boorish behavior’
OK, then.
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What this episode has taught me is that we have too many “would be abusive bosses if given the authority” in our midst. Or people who have been abused themselves and think it’s just normal.
Just to show how superficial I can be;
I actually had problems with her roll out. The accusations were out there….and the roll out was in pretty bad weather….it was snowing hard and pretty cold.
OK, I get it, `I’m tough, and in my State we don’t let weather influence our business’.
To my eyes, it stank. `I’ll make you all come out in a blizzard, because I can’. Is what it said to me. While the state is warning everyone to stay indoors, stay warm, and be careful, she dragged everyone outside.
Because she could.
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I have been a boss and regularly received top marks for how I treated my staff. Very high grades. Then my bosses told me I was too soft to promote further. I was and remain proud of this and I am where I am. I would never be a top boss and I also would never be elected President.
The very same thing happened to me years ago. I take great pride in the personal loyalties that were created in my group at that time. I had their back and they knew that if I asked them to do something or to do it in a certain way, there was a damn good reason. We all had deep trust in each other, which was developed through example and working shoulder to shoulder over a period of years. When our corporation turned over leadership at the top, my style of management was looked on by the new powers as weak. They wanted managers to be strong extroverts who would rule by fear and domination of what they viewed as their underlings. So I was out. And in retrospect, that was okay.
I left about 18 months later. I have done just fine, and from what I am told by former coworkers, the company I left is a seriously unhappy and discontented place. I am still close to many of the people who worked for me in those days. I have no regret in how I conducted myself. I will live out the last few years of my work life in a non-managerial position, and that is something I very content with.
You both deserve praise not criticism. Your bosses are typical A-Type people who tend to force their way into upper management by hook-or-by-crook, and think that ruthlessness is the only way.
But, they screw up time and again, because they generate ZERO loyalty in their subordinates so that people never stick their necks out to get things done. Everybody is watching their own backs knowing that the boss will eagerly knife them if it’s in his own interest.
So, failures get suppressed, not fixed, and the business generally fails. Of course some businesses solve this problem by getting “too big to fail.” Bank of America is a perfect example. They are one of the worst run companies in the world as anybody who has done business with them can tell you. Yet, they are a behemoth so they stagger along despite shocking mismanagement.
I have a supervisor like that. Whenever we are between managers he ALWAYS goes on a power trip and the new manager always reigns him in. The long term guys know full well me and the other lady he goes after are providing a lot of value and regularly tell us to ignore him. He taught me how not to be.
Poor choice of words I agree. I advocated for Al Franken’s departure for similar reasons Booman does above for Amy Klobuchar. I regret this now as a bad decision on our part.
I believe we should win in 2020 but I do not underestimate the task at hand and the possibility that we could lose. I want the person who has the best chance to beat Trump to win. I believe we have 4-5 candidates who give us that best chance and that Amy Klobuchar is one of them. I want to win. Then I want Congress to pass the good stuff we all need and I want the President to sign the bills. I care now less than ever before about whether our President is a nice person deep in his or her heart. This makes me a little sad but it is also true.
I’ve never felt there was any convincing evidence. The photo with the actress was IMHO misinterpreted. We’ll likely never know the behind the scenes situation and why he didn’t continue to insist on a public hearing.
I think that argument is extremely thin. You cant extrapolate a state level electorate to a national level even if it were demographically representative and MN is not. Add to this that two of her three elections were in Democratic Waves. In reality we dont know how she would do against a real opponent. Look at Bill Nelson.
Uh I read the RCP column linked. Yeah some of that column is in fact patriarchy bullshit. Not all but some.
How about we dump good ole bi partisan and war loving Biden at the same time?
And don’t forget his role in the Anita Hill fiasco.
This is crazy, but your comment made me think of this:
https:/www.imdb.com/title/tt0056676
In the movie, Steve McQueen is the “War Lover,” swaggering and blustering his way through scenes, shooting off his mouth before he thinks, but damning the damage he causes. He ends up alienating everybody and literally blows himself up in the end.
Joe Biden?
I was prepared to hear her out, but after learning that she has a consistent 50% staff turnover throughout her career, I’m bailing on her because I’ve seen enough staff turmoil in this current administration. If no one wants to work for her, that would be bad. Should be interesting to see if she has staff problems on the campaign trail.
Mondale! His laughing at Reagan’s youth and experience joke is exactly what we do not need again in 2020. We need a fighter to beat Trump and if we pre-eliminate anyone who has shown they can fight we risk ending up with another Mondale. No thanks!
This is not an endorsement of Amy Klobuchar. This is a practical argument that we should not do the Republicans job for them like we did on Al Franken.
Cheers.
There’s probably a fine, although definitive line, between a “tough” and abusive boss. A boss who berates an employee for repeatedly coming in late or missing assignments is tough, although the berating can be abusive depending on how its delivered. A fine line.
That said, its not so much how Klobuchar treats her employees; its her politics that makes her a non-starter for me. As centrism goes, she’s shown herself to be an extremist in that regard. I saw her town hall and while she is entitled to her view of the world, the sum total of what she is offering is more of the same old, same old and out of step with not just the democratic base but voters in general who are looking for more from their political leaders than what they have been getting. Its why so many former Obama voters (foolishly) fell for Trump.
And that’s the problem with centrism; its less of an ideology as it is a political strategy of keeping voters at bay in order to focus on the bidding of the donors and wealth. Centrism isn’t really designed so much to solve problems of the voters, as it is to appease them.
The other thing is, Klobuchar’s presentation lacks charisma and is dry as dust. She’s a nice woman, thoughtful and intelligent but otherwise IMO she’s not ready for prime time.
Why berate anyone?
Sit them down, calmly explain what is expected of them and why. Ask them why they are coming in late. If they don’t have a legitimate reason explain that the next time it happens they will be terminated. Then put it in writing.
That’s tough w/o being abusive or berating anyone.
I hear you, but as I said, its a fine line. People get pissed; even bosses are allowed to be human.
Bernie Sanders. Now and forever.
So here’s another example. Many have said his refusal to release tax returns and his fiction writings make him a non starter. I disagree in the same way I disagree with eliminating Amy Klobuchar for her bad behavior.
I do not feel the Bern but he is a fighter. Fighters FTW
He is releasing his tax returns.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bernie-sanders-set-to-release-10-years-of-tax-returns-2019-02-26
Paul wellstone used to treat his staff so poorly, they had a `former wellstone support group’ that met informally. They all had wellstone ptsd.
He was an asshole to his staff, but he was still an amazing person and an amazing senator.
Klobuchar is hard to understand if you’re not from Minnesota. I think that’s the fatal flaw with Minnesota politicians — they don’t `travel well’ with the exception of `the happy warrior’ Hubert Humphrey.
Hard to understand in what way? Calling people who offered leaving staffers a job and try and have them rescind it? That has nothing to do with “Minnesota nice.” That’s just behavior is an awful person.
Because that’s how many Minnesota liberal politicians treat their staffs and behave while in office.
It’s like getting mad at someone from New York acting like someone from New York.
Hey, at least she never put anyone through a wood chipper.
There are problems with every single Democratic candidate, just have to find what you can live with and support one. We don’t need to tear the rest of the others down just in case your favorite candidate doesn’t win.
Maybe let’s learn the lesson this time
Yep, in my eyes, Klobuchar dropped from my top tier of preferred candidates to the back of the pack over this.
Campaign staff and white house workers will go on to help lead the Democratic party for decades. I want them treated well. Not to mention the entire executive branch of the federal government.