If you thought the Koran/toilet story was hot … When this story hits the Muslim world, I’m forecasting that the interrogators refusing to let him pray will hit hardest.
“Exclusive: To get the ’20th hijacker’ to talk, the U.S. used a wide range of tactics. A secret log reveals the first documented view of how Gitmo really works …” (Time)
I can’t read the full Time mag story because I’m not a subscriber, so I went hunting. And I found the story in the Australia’s news.com.au, via Agence France Presse:
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From the beginning of the Time story:
More via Raw Story:
Winter 2002-03 – Additional Techniques Approved: Despite the information gaps, the log offers a rare glimpse into the darker reaches of intelligence gathering, in which teams that specialize in extracting information by almost any means match wits and wills with men who are trained to keep quiet at almost any cost. It spans 50 days in the winter of 2002-03, from November to early January, a critical period at Gitmo, during which 16 additional interrogation techniques were approved by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for use on a select few detainees, including al-Qahtani, TIME reports.
More Muscular Strategies: Al-Qahtani’s resilience under pressure in the fall of 2002 led top officials at Gitmo to petition Washington for more muscular “counter resistance strategies.” On Dec. 2, Rumsfeld approved 16 of 19 stronger coercive methods. Now the interrogators could use stress strategies like standing for prolonged periods, isolation for as long as 30 days, removal of clothing, forced shaving of facial hair, playing on “individual phobias” (such as dogs) and “mild, non-injurious physical contact such as grabbing, poking in the chest with the finger and light pushing.” According to the log, al-Qahtani experienced several of those over the next five weeks. The techniques Rumsfeld balked at included “use of a wet towel or dripping water to induce the misperception of suffocation.” “Our Armed Forces are trained,” a Pentagon memo on the changes read, “to a standard of interrogation that reflects a tradition of restraint.” Nevertheless, the log shows that interrogators poured bottles of water on al-Qahtani’s head when he refused to drink. Interrogators called this game “Drink Water or Wear It.”
Dripping Water or Playing Christina Aguilera Music: After the new measures are approved, the mood in al-Qahtani’s interrogation booth changes dramatically. The interrogation sessions lengthen. The quizzing now starts at midnight, and when Detainee 063 dozes off, interrogators rouse him by dripping water on his head or playing Christina Aguilera music. According to the log, his handlers at one point perform a puppet show “satirizing the detainee’s involvement with al-Qaeda.” He is taken to a new interrogation booth, which is decorated with pictures of 9/11 victims, American flags and red lights. He has to stand for the playing of the U.S. national anthem. His head and beard are shaved. He is returned to his original interrogation booth. A picture of a 9/11 victim is taped to his trousers. Al-Qahtani repeats that he will “not talk until he is interrogated the proper way.” At 7 a.m. on Dec. 4, after a 12-hour, all-night session, he is put to bed for a four-hour nap, TIME reports.
Invasion of Space by Female: Over the next few days, al-Qahtani is subjected to a drill known as Invasion of Space by a Female, and he becomes especially agitated by the close physical presence of a woman. Then, around 2 p.m. on Dec. 6, comes another small breakthrough. He asks his handlers for some paper. “I will tell the truth,” he says. “I am doing this to get out of here.” He finally explains how he got to Afghanistan in the first place and how he met with bin Laden. In return, the interrogators honor requests from him to have a blanket and to turn off the air conditioner. Soon enough, the pressure ratchets up again. Various strategies of intimidation are employed anew. The log reveals that a dog is present, but no details are given beyond a hazy reference to a disagreement between the military police and the dog handler. Agitated, al-Qahtani takes back the story he told the day before about meeting bin Laden, TIME reports.
A 24-Hour Time Out: But a much more serious problem develops on Dec. 7: a medical corpsman reports that al-Qahtani is becoming seriously dehydrated, the result of his refusal to take water regularly. He is given an IV drip, and a doctor is summoned. An unprecedented 24-hour time out is called, but even as al-Qahtani is put under a doctor’s care, music is played to “prevent detainee from sleeping.” Nine hours later, a medical corpsman checks al-Qahtani’s pulse and finds it “unusually slow.” An electrocardiogram is administered by a doctor, and after al-Qahtani is transferred to a hospital, a CT scan is performed. A second doctor is consulted. Al-Qahtani’s heartbeat is regular but slow: 35 beats a minute. He is placed in isolation and hooked up to a heart monitor, TIME reports.
Has Big Story to Tell: Over the next month, the interrogators experiment with other tactics. They strip-search him and briefly make him stand nude. They tell him to bark like a dog and growl at pictures of terrorists. They hang pictures of scantily clad women around his neck. A female interrogator so annoys al-Qahtani that he tells his captors he wants to commit suicide and asks for a crayon to write a will. At one stage, an Arabic-speaking serviceman, posing as a fellow detainee, is brought to Camp X-Ray for a short stay in an effort to gain al-Qahtani’s confidence. The log reports that al-Qahtani makes several comments to interrogators that imply he has a big story to tell, but interrogators report that he seems either too scared or simply unwilling, to tell it. On Jan. 10, 2003, al-Qahtani says he knows nothing of terrorists but volunteers to return to the gulf states and act as a double agent for the U.S. in exchange for his freedom. Five days later, Rumsfeld’s harsher measures are revoked after military lawyers in Washington raised questions about their use and efficacy, TIME reports.
TIME’s complete report is available on TIME.com and will appear in the issue on newsstands Monday.
The direct link to the (paid-restricted) story is here.
While the story of the interrogation methods is sensational, it’s also critical to note that this news report TIES the Bush administration to the methods used, from Australia’s news.com.au, via Agence France Presse:
The log – parts of which are incomplete – provides a detailed account of some of the measures that have been used against a detainee at the camp, many of the measures have been criticized by rights groups.
President George W. Bush said he was ready to examine alternatives to the US camp for “war on terror” detainees at Guantanamo, but defended the treatment of prisoners there as humane and proper.
Al-Qahtani – detainee 063 – was captured fleeing Tora Bora, Afghanistan in December 2001 and transported to the US military prison at Guantanamo Bay two months later, according to the magazine.
By July 2002, the US authorities discovered al-Qahtani had been deported from Orlando airport, Florida in August 2001.
The US government contends the Saudi had tried to enter the country to participate as the alleged 20th hijacker in the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington. The magazine said one of the 9/11 hijackers, Mohammed Atta, was waiting to pick up al-Qahtani at Orlando airport the day he was deported.
The log details how al-Qahtani was interrogated for 50 days from early November to early January 2002-2003, during which 16 additional interrogation methods were approved by US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
Often awakened at 4:00 am and questioned until midnight, al-Qahtani is forced to stand or sit on a metal chair, shown pictures of 9/11 victims, and told he cannot pray.
At one point, al-Qahtani mounts a food and water strike and becomes so dehydrated that medical corpsmen “forcibly administer fluids by IV drip.”
After a struggle, al-Qahtani is restrained, strapped down and “given an undisclosed amount of fluids.”
He subsequently tells his interrogators he works for al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, before urinating in his pants.
After Rumsfeld approved the new interrogation measures on December 2, 2002, the suspect is subjected to a drill known as an “Invasion of Space” by a female, according to Time.
“He was laid out on the floor so I straddled him without putting my weight on him. He would then attempt to move me off of him by bending his legs in order to lift me off but this failed because the MPs were holding his legs down with their hands,” one log entry from December states. …
Cross-posted at DailyKos.
I’m dashing to go visit my mom and brother. I’ll look forward to whatever else you can find out. If any of you subscribe to Time, please check the article to see if there’s more beyond what AFP reports.
Feinstein, Hagel, etc. were just talking about this story on CNN.
I could swear that Feinstein said something about forcing him to stand naked and bark like a dog. Maybe that’s in the full TIME story.
OH — AND THAT BIT about REFUSING TO LET HIM PRAY. Holy shit. When the Muslim world finds that out …
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1071201,00.html
susan, I subscribe to Times and I accessed the article. This link should work for everyone to read it-which I haven’t done yet myself.
It does work.. but only have you have access.. it gives you a nibble and holds out a hand at the door for money to be able to see the rest. 🙂
well crap…I don’t know if there is any way around that? I don’t know much about linking/computer skill stuff.
I’m afriad not.. on some sites they have very simple codes that let you have access but those sites aren’t that worried about people getting round in the first place. 🙁
I heard the same thing on NPR this evening.
Let’s see, we have Zacarias Moussaoui, who seems to be a patsy; Ramzi Bin al-Shibh, who is apparently singing; and now Mohammed al-Qahtani.
As arbitrarily as these people keep throwing that tag around, I am beginning to seriously doubt that there ever was a 20th hijacker.
I mean, how many times have we also caught “THE #3 dude in charge of Al Qaeda”??
sheesh
before I go and try to read about this more, I want to say that if this man was dehydrated and was experincing cardiac S/S, I would wonder the amt.a nd type of fluids given the prisoner.. was his kidneys woking and what was the level of the blood work if any were done to acertain his health and so forth. This could cause mental changes as well. I suggest that we really get to the bottom of this…Thanks susan…
well, went to the sight for Times and had to pay for subscription. I think I will buy this specific TIME to read instead.
However, I think I would like to see more of the medical eval before I say anything more, except that could they have given too much fluid in a short period of time, which could cause fluid over load on this mans heart. What was his b/p and mental eval as well. Like Glasco scores…. Did his kidneys work properly in this time of such treatment? What other medical problems did they find that might have to play on this mans health? If normal saline or ringers lactate was infused and rapidly he could go into cardiogenic shock too.
But not to be permitted to pray is a sin in and of itself. I think this will all come out in the wash and much more. I do know that the prisoner I reviewed was held there without any evidence he needed to be there. We as a nation have got to get on top of this situationin Gitmo as well as other places to see things are not way to out of hand….as if that is what I can say…I feel they already have…They seem to be adding insult to injury in all of this.
CNN is covering this story right now with an interview of Viveca Novak (Time Magazine). Fredericka Whitfield, the current anchor, is showing facial expressions that are definitley priceless. She looks incredibly uncomfortable talking about this story, with her face scrunched and a look of almost physical pain. That is absolutely the proper reaction to these logs. It’s damn uncomfortable. That speaks volumes to the viewers and, while I know that anchors are not supposed to show any bias (yeah – like they always follow that rule), her reaction is very important as it relates to MSM coverage of these horrors.
They showed a clip of Duncan Hunter (R-Clueless and In Obvious Denial) talking about the lunch menu at Gitmo. I don’t think I need to say more about that!
If this man was really the 20th-hijacker and was supposed to meet Atta at the Orlando airport, then he was one of the most valuable captures in the entire WOT.
This is where the Dershowitz theory comes into play. Although, I think the fact that this interrogation went on as late as 2003 does a lot to dispel the urgency requirement.
Had these interrogations occurred in 2001, we would have had a lot more reason to fear another immanent attack.
Many Americans are not going to be overly concerned with this detainees treatment because the presumption is that he actually wanted to kill thousands of Americans, and was willing to do so.
But the problem is that these techniques were used on detainees of all stripes and colors. There were not reserved for just the most high-value detainees. And that is the reason that we should not use these techniques at all.
It’s the same principle as the death penalty. Yes, every once in a while we have someone like Jeffrey Dahmer that we know and can prove are guilty. But once we allow the government to kill someone like Dahmer, we allow them to kill someone else who is innocent. And they will.
This episode is the perfect test case for discussing torture.
And do we really know that this man was supposed to meet Atta at the airport? Who is telling us this? The government, those nice folks who brought you the truth of Saddam’s WMDs, yellowcake, mission accomplished, and other such fictions.
maybe I am just a bit to medical here Boo, but I think if they gave this man 3 1/2 liters of fluid, which is 3500mls or cc, and not allow him to relieve himself, just heard on CNN this btw, not once but twice was denied bathroom break, and he had to relieve himself in his pants of which he did and I am sure allowed to wear that for a long time too. If he hadn’t urinated then what..and how much did he urinate? Did they ahve to treat for CHF or pulmonary edema or anything like that with diuretics to get him to urinate…I am just saying they could have killed him and then where would they ahve been with the information factor. These ppl [our guys] at gitmo are dangerous enough to do very bad things and this has got to stop..no matter the circumstances or crime investigated. Two wrongs does not make it right
btw, also remember int he article they said he had cardiac problems too…just saying…if he is a bad man and they ahd killed him in the process of doing what they did, they wouldnt have any info at all…
I understand the prevailing thought in America is anything to protect our own.
Its hard to convince someone who thinks that way that they are wrong. It seems almost right by definition, after all.
But the consequences of that line of thinking can be even more dangerous to us than the benefits of using it.
How much torture is justified to gain information on those who make non-specific threats against you?
What happens when Iran captures an American they claim is CIA, doing recon for an invasion? He says he’s a businessman, or an archaeologist, or a historian.
So, is Iran allowed to do what we did? They meet the same conditions:
So, should this occur, are we supposed to sit on our hands and just nod in distant agreement as this happens to our citizen?
Its funny, really. I remember the absolute outrage at the caneing of an American in Singapore. There have been other cases of foreign countries mistreating (not torturing) American citizens for being drug dealers or committing other crimes.
It never seemed to matter to us. We instinctively rally around other Americans, and insist they get American justice, not some foreign mistreatment.
I think the point is, we should tread very very lightly here. Torturing taxi drivers we have a hunch may have contact with terrorists is way over the line. Torturing folks we know with certainty are terrorists is risky enough.
The reward for torture is at most information. In this sort of conflict, information can be crucial. Or it can be merely useful.
But the consequences of torture are deadly dangerous.
Mistrusted at home, and hated around the world isn’t a sane foreign policy.
I wonder if any information we’ve gained was worth that result.
Five days later, Rumsfeld’s harsher measures are revoked after military lawyers in Washington raised questions about their use and efficacy, TIME reports.
[In response to comments upthread.]
Diaried here, professional interrogators have long known the practice of torture and/or abuse yields no usable information:
Obviously known to at least some of the lawyers inside DoD, and to Major Sherwood F. Moran, who wrote a “classic” interrogation manual in 1943:
The fact that torture doesn’t work according to military experts in the field counters any argument for authorizing the practice. And should – for once – make the Duncans of the world keep their f*cking mouths shut.
Giving him intravenous fluids wasn’t an act of torture, it was an act of love, just like with Terri Schiavo!
</snark> off to go be sick now.