Two of Judith Miller’s attorneys — Bob Bennett, her criminal attorney who was brought in only within the last year, and Floyd Abrams, the New York Times‘s attorney (and a Miller attorney) — differ widely (and apparently without any communications) in their description of the deal that Miller made with special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. And both attorneys appear to have independently communicated with Joseph Tate, the attorney for Cheney aide Scooter Libby.
As you who read my earlier Miller story know, Robert Bennett was interviewed at around 12:30pm PT by CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. Bennett volunteered that Judy’s testimony was “limited to the Valerie Plame matter” and [would not be permitted to be] a “fishing expedition.”
This was clearly a major contrast to what Miller herself said in an interview at around 9:25am PT when Miller left the grand jury. She said that her testimony was “limited to communications with the source from whom I received the voluntary waiver.”
As often happens, Robert Bennett’s differing — and vastly wider interpretation of the scope of Fitzgerald’s agreement over what he could expect to question Miller about — caused a stir in the blogs.
Dumbya, in a recommended diary at Daily Kos, trumpeted:
Judy Miller’s lawyer, Bob Bennett (Bill Bennett’s brother), was on with Wolf and said that Judy’s testimony was focused on the entire Valerie Plame matter. This is big, because her testimony wasn’t limited to Scooter. It appears that Judy negotiated a deal so she wouldn’t have to answer questions regarding her bogus pre-war reporting rather than limiting the questions to Scooter alone. (Emphasis mine.)
To buttress his argument, Dumbya cites Digby:
Ok kidz. Judy’s lawyer Bob Bennett just told Wolf Blitzer that Judy’s agreement with Fitzgerald was limited to “the Valerie Plame matter” not just Libby. Wolf pressed. Fitzgerald reiterated that it was “the Valerie Plame matter.”
Judy was worried that Fitzgerald was going to pursue her bogus WMD claims.
Bolton and Cheney and Rove all the rest aren’t off the hook on Plame. Do you suppose that includes Niger?
Right. Judy doesn’t want any “fishing expeditions” — perhaps into the WMD stories, the aluminum tubes, and Chalabi contacts — as Bob Bennett told Wolf Blitzer today. BUT. And it’s a BIG BUT.
The key point that remains — and is vastly more mportant to the CIA Leak case — is if Miller made a deal with Fitzgerald to testify solely about Scooter Libby, or if she must testify about all matters relating to “the Valerie Plame matter,” as Bob Bennett said twice today to Wolf Blitzer.
At approximately 3:15pm PT, MSNBC’s Dan Abrams interviewed his father, famed civil rights attorney Floyd Abrams, who represents both the New York Times and Judith Miller.
Floyd Abrams stated emphatically, and repeatedly, that Judith Miller, in the agreement with Patrick Fitzgerald, must only testify about Scooter Libby — not, as Bob Bennett said, the “Valerie Plame matter.”
So, Digby and Dumbya, it’s two to one. Both Judith Miiller and Floyd Abrams carefully stated today that Judy need only testify about Scooter Libby, and no one else. Not Cheney, not Rove, not Bolton, or anyone else.
Of note, neither attorney referred to the other, nor was either attorney, unfortunately, asked about the other’s statements. Another oddity was that both attorneys claimed to have had communications with Joseph Tate, Scooter Libby’s attorney, that were not forthcoming about Libby’s permission for Judith Miller to testify, yet neither attorney referred to each other’s communications. Bennett said he didn’t talk to Libby’s attorney until August 31, after Miller was in jail, and that the attorney was not clear about Libby’s wishes. Abrams went further: He said that Libby’s attorney talked a double story. He told Abrams that Libby graciously gave permission for Miller to testify about what Libby told her, but the attorney reminded Abrams that Libby had been coerced into signing a blanket, standard release. Abrams interpreted this as less than forthcoming, and so advised Miller. It was only after Miller received a personal letter from Libby, followed by a personal phone call to her at the jail, that she knew for certain that Libby was giving her permission to testify about what he’d told her, without reference to the blanket release he’d been “coerced” into signing.
So, I don’t trust Bob Bennett’s statement that Fitzgerald’s deal with Miller permits him to ask her about any and all characters involved in the CIA Leak case. I’m inclined moreso to trust the statements of both Miller herself, this morning, and Abrams, this afternoon, that she is only required now to talk about Scooter Libby.
That is perhaps a big blow to the CIA Leak case. It remains to be seen.
Michael Isikoff of Newsweek was interviewed by Chris Matthews this afternoon and reminded us that Fitzgerald said some time ago that his investigation was complete except for the testimony of Matt Cooper (Time magazine) and Judith Miller (New York Times). Isikoff thinks that, since both Cooper and Miller have now cooperated — through deals — the investigation should be wrapped up, and Fitzgerald should bring indictments or give it up. Isikoff also noted that Fitzgerald is not required to provide a report, as Kenneth Starr was under the old independent counsel law.
One question: Will Fitzgerald refer to the CIA’s own report on any damages, even deaths, that it has catalogued as a result of the exposure of Valerie Plame and, by association, any assets or contacts she developed internationally?
the investigation is into the entire leak, not just the one source who contacted Judy. Many people contacted Judy and the other journalists. Fizt is going to ask her about all her contacts since, duh, there was supposedly only one source who she needed to waive confidentiality…
Doesn’t matter tho’, since we have no clue.
whatever tho’, too silly to speculate about until the indictments come down. We could keep going until we are blue in the face guessing what anything means… none of us are fitzgerald and none of us knows. We can & should talk about what we know & keep the pressure on, but the speculation as to what Judy may or may not testify about is imho counter productive and takes our eyes off the ball.
umm, I just re-read my posting and susan, I hope you don’t think I was directing my frustations to you, it was just a gut reaction.
I’ll match your BULLSHIT! and raise you a BULLSHIT!
I’ve been frustrated and depressed by the stories all day. Then I read Stu Piddy’s very insightful, knowledgeable diaries, and got really depressed.
I think Judith Miller is THICK in the middle of all of this and that she herself was a source …
but her bouyancy and joy today made me sick with the feeling that she got exactly the deal she wanted and that she will not pay the price she should … and the same for her cohorts.
(I sure hope I’m wrong.)
I just added two more paragraphs at the end .. read and comment, if you will. Thanks.
great update, thanks susan
I do think (hope since I have no facts) that fitz has been playing his cards close and will lay the hammer down in the coming weeks… I do believe fitz was waiting on cooper and miller to confirm his assumptions, nail in the coffin so to speak… pretty sure cooper did, but miller is really interesting since I happen to agree with you sus that judy was a source, not a witness… and based on fitz’s past and the enormity of the entire situation I would find it hard to believe that fitz didn’t steamroll her in the testimony.
{thanks for putting up with my diatribes ;)}
There’s so much speculative and contradictory stuff flying around on this that it’s impossible to know the truth unless and until verifiable information surfaces.
Having said that I now feel free to engage in speculation (haha!).
From my perspective I sense that Miller’s emphasis on the requirement that her testimony be limited to just her conversations with Libby indicates she likely is more concerned about not having to lie under oath about conversations with another, possibly higher placed or more controversial source.
Very good point. She did emphasize the phrase “obstruction of justice” in her brief TV statement today.
One of the other truly bizarre wrinkles in this whole thing is this. Why didn’t either Libby or Miller take the initiative, (upon the imminence of her being sent to jail), to communicate directly with each other? In short, why didn’t Libby call her up as soon as it became clear she was going to jail? And why wouldn’t the lawyers from both camps have diligently pursued a resolution of this doscloser permission? What possible reasonable explanation could there be for why these things didn’t happen?
Clearly, there’s a lot of other shady stuff going on here, stuff we may never learn the truth about. One thing is certain, however; Miller remains every bit the shitbird she always was.
it looks like Judith Miller has orchestrated a face-saving. Was she threatened with longer jail time by Fitzgerald? The pundits agreed that she was under some pressure by Fitzgerald, like longer jail time for more serious charges. Whatever made her jump the gun and get out of jail, Scooter Libby’s lawyers have stated flatly that she had permission from her source, Libby, over a year ago and they are surprised at her statement that she has just now received that go ahead. Since she is a known public liar (WMD in Iraq, anyone?) it makes sense that she has crumbled to pressure, lied about about Libby, and is now playing the part of martyr for freedom of the press.
But both Abrams and Bennett emphatically said today that Scooter Libby’s attorney did not give Judith full, unfettered permission.
And both attorneys got pretty testy about it — like they were PISSED at Libby and at his attorney.
Abrams pretty much implied that Libby let Judith rot in jail until he finally did the decent thing. He snickered when his son Dan mentioned that Libby’s attorney was “surprised” that Miller took so long to agree because Libby’d given her a green light supposedly.
And this is what I wrote earlier when I watched Bennett and Wolfie: ” Bennett argued that Libby’s attorney did not call him until August 31, after Miller was in jail. Bennett edged towards anger, saying that Libby’s attorney and Libby knew where Judy was and how to reach her.”
in today’s article, which refers to another article.
TODAY
YESTERDAY
The other question is “would Judy lie to the public?” Hey, we all know that answer to that one.
But Tom Grieve also points out that Libby’s attorneys could have a motive to distance the ‘innocent’ Libby by insisting that since he had nothing to hide, he released Judith Miller at the beginning of the investigation.
It really is hard to figure out when the White House lied, Libby lied, Miller lied (about Iraq’s WMD). It’s a question of who is lying the most.
why any of them should be believed?
Obfuscation is usually an end unto itself.
Well, both Bob Bennett and Floyd Abrams have a very public persona to uphold, and I doubt they’d consciously lie on a television program about their very, very important clients.
One thing that bugs me … I keep thinking that Judith Miller has not been totally honest with the NYT editors, and in turn their attorneys, about what she knows and what she did.
Which makes me wonder if Abrams was focusing on the Libby testimony because that’s what his NYT clients are focusing on … because they believe Miller’s bullshit about only being told about Plame by Scooter Libby. And she hasn’t told them that SHE told others in the WH about Plame, etc., etc. (or whatever she did)
I agree that neither Bennett or Abrams would likely lie directly. But from a philosophical point of view, from a social dynamics point of view, it’s important to recognize that one doesn’t have to lie in order to deceive.
Every conman, swindler, successful politician and effective lawyer knows that using partial and selective truths is always a better way to deceive people than to lie to them outright. Lies can come back to bite you, but partial truths are always easier to defend.
And you don’t get to be at the level of Bennett or Abrams without knowing these rules for successful deception.
the words used are true.
the truth is not in the words.
Exactly!
Now Abrams is on with Aaron Brown …
Abrams says, “I was the one doing it … i spoke with Libby’s counsel … he said that Judy could testify but that it was abhorrent for the gov’t to force Libby to sign a document, so Judy didn’t think that that was a clear enough release from her source.”
“In all the time from the time they lost in the court of appeals and the supreme court wouldn’t hear it and she went to jail, there was nothing [ from Libby’s people].”
Fitzgerald has known all along that her source was Libby.
So the question always comes back around to who was she protecting? Not her “source.” Actually, it looks like her “source” gave her up. Think about that.
Neither lawyer mentioned a year ago that they needed a “written” release. Nor did Miller.
Static. Noise. Smoke and mirrors.
Libby gave Miller and something else up. Miller was scared shitless about the something else. Something to do with the NYT. The NYT didn’t run a story, but had the information…
Wow… very good.
What to do with the NYT? Can you speculate?
hatchet jobs on the NYT by Rove/Hughes/Bartlett or White House operatives over the past six or seven years?
Or, any nasti-grams directed at the NYT by say, Jimmy Guckert?
I don’t.
I think the one thing that can be speculated on is that the NYT is/has been the exact same type of paid-for conduit of White House/neocon spin that the Washington Post and the WSJ is/has been.
But there is something more here, somewhere…
There’s a really rotten, smelly fish stinking up the place.
the sensitive Plame story during an election year, they say. But as Salon.com points out that is when it is most important to get involved in such a story.
So many gutless people afraid to stand up to GWB.
An interesting idea. There is that photo on the NYT site now of Judy leaving jail on the arm of Arthur O. Sulzberger, Jr., publisher of the Times. See here
(Gawd, he looks so young.) The NYT bunch is serving as a veritable cheering squad for her. I wonder what Krugman and Herbert think of this whole circus. They can’t say, of course.
which was ended abruptly.
aren’t cheering for her. I guess they don’t buy her whole look at me I am a martyr to freedom of the press schtick. But the powers that be at the NY Times seems to be very protective of her.
Yes the gutsy New York Times that could not report on the Plame case when it began because it was a sensitive time before the 2004 election. They have my undying disrespect for assisting Bush into the White House.
You know, Sybil, I read that Salon and didn’t quite get their angle.
It’d be very inappropriate for reporters who are in the act of doing their jobs to stop and cheer any interview subject.
I don’t know why Salon made that such a big deal. And Sulzberger maybe pulled her away simply to end the interview quickly and to get her home.
She had the choice to not speak to any reporter or answer any questions. But she did — and that was probably smart strategy because it made her look, especially with her beaming smile, like she had nothing to worry about or to hide.
One of the interesting aspects of this is the sight of Miller’s two very high-priced lawyers running around like something out of a Marx Brothers movie, getting in each other’s way and apparently not communicating at all.
Which could be in part because their client has not been forthcoming with the truth, or it could be a function of them believing their own press and tripping over their egos, or something else entirely.
“Judith Miller” and “truth” are not words that belong in the same sentence with each other.
This is true.
Susan asked a critical question:Will Fitzgerald refer to the CIA’s own report on any damages, even deaths, that it has catalogued as a result of the exposure of Valerie Plame and, by association, any assets or contacts she developed internationally?
i think it’s likely Susan’s question hits at the core of what the case is about-there probably were serious CIA damages catalogued-we know at minimum the corporate front for Plame (focused on keeping tabs on WMD capabilities) had to fold as a result-(mainstream media, e.g.WaPo covered in 04) and it was not a mom and pop operation. i’m thinking if there is a ‘case’ this is the main driver, and non-partisan fuel for Fitzgerald to nail those responsible-arrogant political operatives risk national security to exact revenge on Wilson. If these are the stakes i doubt that Fitzgerald’s case is dependent on outcome of testimony of Judith Miller-one way or the other we’ll know soon.
The opinion of SENTELLE, HENDERSON and TATEL, Circuit Judges for the United States Court of Appeals dated 2/15/05 lends credence to the possibility that ‘CIA damages’ may be a main driver of the case. You can ‘google’ ‘United States Court of Appeals No. 04-3138’ to track it down if your interested in reading the opinion.
I hope that the CIA did a good job in their report — I’d assume so — and that Fitzgerald gives their report the greatest weight.
I would go with Bennett over Abrams on this one. While Abrams is a leading First Amendment attorney, he is not a criminal lawyer and wouldn’t be the one negotiating agreements with a tough prosecutor like Fitzgerald. That job would fall to Bennett, a top notch criminal defense attorney. So Bennett likely has first hand knowledge of the agreement, having negotiated it himself, while Abrams likely does not.
Regardless of any agreement worked out (or not) with Abrams, Patrick Fitzgerald would use the agreement he worked out with Bennett. He held too many cards to have settled for less than he needed.
I predict that if there is a written agreement involving Abrams, the Bennett agreement will bear a later signature date and will explicitly supersede all prior deals. Abrams’ agreement will thereby be rendered moot, conveniently providing both Abrams and Miller a face-saving excuse to feign shock and outrage.
Remember, there were TEN DAYS of negotiation between Libby’s alleged release and Miller’s jailhouse exit.
The evidence is compelling that (a)Miller’s choice was to either testify or be charged with criminal contempt (leaving jail quietly at the end of October was not an option), and (b)Fitzgerald got what he wanted and is now positioned to wrap up the case.
Judy’s show of confidence and elation are just that, a show. At some point her complicity will be made public – by indictment, hopefully – and she will switch from ‘innocent girl reporter’ to ‘innocent girl reporter victimized by big meanies who tell lies and mean grand juries who believe them’.
I disagree. I saw Miller on TV. She looked genuinely happy. It didn’t look like a show. I am worried that the show is being put on by Partick Fitzgerald. I see no reason to trust him. I don’t know why everyone else does.
Of course she was happy. Just because she is happy does not mean she cut a favorable deal. She wanted out of the hell-hole she was in, and she is now out.
I read your piece on Fitzgerald, and one can make a case, as you did, for being wary of him. One can also make a strong case that he is relentlessly pursuing this investigation, and that is the case I find more persuasive.
I think Miller caved (as Arianna Huffington predicted she would a couple of weeks ago). To my way of thinking she would not have even cut a deal if she thought she was going to go free in a few weeks when the grand jury disbands, and if she was going to get a deal on her own terms she would have gotten it a few weeks ago when she first began seeking one. Miller may be happy now, but I predict Fitzgerald will get the last laugh… and so will we.
While it is natural these days to be cynical, I really do not share the doubts being expressed here about Fitzgerald. Every indication I have seen is that he is running a dogged investigation, and is intent on getting to the bottom of the Plame affair regardless of where it leads.
I also believe that whatever “deal” he made with Judith Miller was on his terms. This new Libby “release” is just plain nonsense. Miller is covering her own ass, not Libby’s. Arianna Huffington reported a few weeks ago that Miller’s resolve was weakening after all those weeks in jail, and in the face of possible criminal contempt charges (or perhaps even an indictment)that could significantly lengthen her stay. She is not in some cushy prison. This place houses hard-timers.
The fact is that Fitzgerald has negotiated with every journalist and reporter he has called before the grand jury, and he would have done the same thing months ago with Judy Miller had she not claimed the indefensible right to blanket immunity. He seems to have a respect for journalistic confidentiality despite what Miller would have us believe. In some cases he only required journalists to reveal what they told their sources, not what they told them. In other cases the journalists were permitted to limit their testimony. Frankly, I doubt he agreed to much with Miller because she is more than likely a target of his investigation, and he is holding the cards.
Keep one thing in mind: Miller needs to save face right now because of the rediculous posturing she has been doing up until now re: pretending to be standing on principle. If her “deal” is nothing more than an agreement to answer all the questions posed to her in exchange for a “get out of jail” card, neither she nor her attorneys are going to reveal that.
One final thought to ponder. the term of the current grand jury ends in a few weeks. That means Miller would then go free… unless she is cited anew by a newly empanelled grand jury… or charged with criminal contempt… or charged with a crime. Surely Miller could hold out a few more weeks after doing so for almost three months. Think about it. She was facing more than three more weeks in prison, and she knew it. She caved!
Your analysis makes sense, Miller is saving face, pretending that she did not cave because of Fitzgerald’s pressure of more serious charges and longer jail time. She is lying about Libby’s ‘late in the day’ release.
Why did John Bolton recently visit her in jail? hmmm
I am convinced that Bolton is the person who is at the top of the food chain in the Plame affair. Libby was involved because he is Cheney’s point person, and Cheney is the one who ultimately approves things. Rove was involved because he is involved in everything. But Bolton got this ball rolling, and Miller was the outside helper who helped pass it on. I even have a theory as to how Bolton found out about Valerie Wilson Plame, but I am not ready to discuss it yet.
State Dept. memo,
or
Judy Bob?
Fitgerald has two cases going on in Chicago. They are, I think both a couple of years old. In both cases people were indicted early in order to get them to turn on higher ups. These indictments being issued while, I believe the grand Jury is involved in the investigation.
No one has been idictments for two years in the Plame scandal. No one is being forced to turn on anybody. Only Miller was put in jail and she has worked out a deal that she says requires her only to talk about Libby. So she seemingly is protected from incriminating herself and expanding the scope of the investigation.
We have to ask why are there no indictments in two years? Yes the grand jury is ending, but no one has been forced to turn so far. It doesn’t not sound like the investigation is far reaching but rather focused on perhaps only one person, where if it were a hard hitting investigation it could have revealed a lot more than just the outing of Valerie Plame. It doesn’t appear to be going in that direction.
And what, pray tell, would induce you to believe anything that emanates from Judy Miller’s mouth? Like Bush, you can tell she is lying when you see her lips move. I know you do not trust Fitzgerald, and I see your logic for that even if I do not agree with it. But if you distrust Fitzgerald you should distrust Miller even more.
And I do not believe you can read anything into the fact that Fitzgerald has not yet indicted any one. He is up against a lawless and very powerful pack of gangsters who will try to obstruct his every move. He was also obstructed by Time and The New York Times. Perhaps his probe is a cover-up as you suggest, or perhaps he is being very careful to dot his i’s and cross his t’s.
Just as you cannot leap to conclusions about Fitzgerald based on the say so of lyin’ Judy Miller, nor can you jump to conclusions based on the fact that he has so far not indicted any one. Your diary questioning the objectivity of Fitzgerald was far more logical than your last two comments to this diary.
(This is better than a murder mystery on this sleepy Saturday afternoon.)
The NY Times is really trying hard to make Judy’s story make sense. See here.
They say: “When a journalist guarantees confidentiality, it means that he or she is willing to go to jail rather than disclose the source’s identity. We also believe it means that the journalist will not try to coerce the source into granting a waiver to that promise – even if her back is against the wall. If Ms. Miller’s source had wanted to release her from her promise, he could have held a press conference and identified himself. And obviously, he could have picked up the phone. Ms. Miller believed – and we agree – that it was not her place to try to hound him into telling her that she did not need to keep her promise.
Some journalists feel that when it comes to government employees, no waiver short of a public statement can be judged to be freely granted. We believe the person in the best position to judge when a source is sincerely waiving promises of confidentiality is the reporter who made the guarantee.”
Fine, how noble of her. But what about this guy Cooper at Time magazine. He didn’t get anywhere near jail, and seems to have cut the same deal as Judy did a long time ago. Is it just that Judy is purer than him? Plus Libby now says that he wanted Judy to talk to the Grand Jury all along. Nice try, NYT, but it looks like you are really spinning this for all it is worth.
So, whodunnit?
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