[From the diaries by susanhu w minor edits.]
With the recent rumors that W is about to announce a shift in strategy for the Iraq war, to include significant troop withdrawals due to increased readiness of Iraqi units — and to greatly increase air support — we find ourselves facing an almost eerie replay of the latter days of the Vietnam War.
More knowledgeable commentators than I have made the comparisons between “Vietnamization” and “Iraqification”, so I won’t belabor the point. What’s new and interesting to note is that concurrent with that process, Nixon turned to air power to address the problem of increased enemy belligerence and stalled Paris peace negotiations. The North Vietnamese thought they would hit Nixon at a weak moment – during the 1972 elections – just as they did (successfully) to Johnson with the 1968 Tet Offensive. Nixon was not Johnson, however, and decided that the answer to the challenge was to hit back – hard.
Then, as today, the military was not in favor of the idea, and the planning and decision-making for the operation went on without their full involvement. Orders went from the Administration to the battlefield without much Pentagon involvement.
We see the same thing today starting to happen, as susanhu mentioned in her front-page piece yesterday where she mentioned Seymour Hirsh’s interview on CNN</a in which he discussed his New Yorker story on the planned increase in the aerial bombings. Of course, in Vietnam, journalists were given daily counts of sorties; today there is no information released to the public. Bombing is already going on, but as in the Secret War in Laos, the public is in the dark…
What was the result in Vietnam? In the short term, the results were good. The North Vietnamese military advances were halted somewhat, and the peace talks restarted in 1973 with renewed energy. Some time was bought for the face-saving withdrawal of American troops to continue. In the longer term, the effect was a brief delay of the inevitable collapse of the South Vietnamese government and a significant ratcheting up of the anti-war movement at home. In terms of diplomatic relations, other nations uniformly and soundly condemned the bombing campaign, increasing America’s diplomatic isolation resulting from the war.
It remains to be seen if Syria is going to play the role of Cambodia or Laos in the Bush Studio’s remake of “The Quagmire of War.” Cambodia was invaded in May 1970 because, while not a part of the war, its territories were being used as a staging ground for enemy operations. Operations were even more significant in Laos, involving 30,000 Laotians under CIA direction in the largest US covert operation between WWII and the Afghan-Soviet war. Syria has been accused of the same kind of support of the enemy, and there are reports (that have gotten little domestic press coverage) of small-scale incursions into Syrian territory already occurring.
And, of course, Bush’s justifications sound eerily like Nixon’s – although Nixon was much better at “speechifyin'” (from the speech to the nation announcing the invasion of Cambodia):
(more on the flip)
We will not react to this threat to American lives merely by plaintive diplomatic protests. If we did, the credibility of the United States would be destroyed in every area of the world where only the power of the United States deters aggression. Tonight I again warn the North Vietnamese that if they continue to escalate the fighting when the United States is withdrawing its forces, I shall meet my responsibility as Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces to take the action I consider necessary to defend the security of our American men. The action that I have announced tonight puts the leaders of North Vietnam on notice that we will be patient in working for peace, we will be conciliatory at the conference table, but we will not be humiliated. We will not be defeated. We will not allow American men by the thousands to be killed by an enemy from privileged sanctuaries. [snip]
My fellow Americans, we live in an age of anarchy, both abroad and at home. We see mindless attacks on all the great institutions which have been created by free civilizations in the last 500 years. Even here in the United States, great universities are being systematically destroyed. Small nations all over the world find themselves under attack from within and from without.
If, when the chips are down, the world’s most powerful nation, the United States of America, acts like a pitiful, helpless giant, the forces of totalitarianism and anarchy will threaten free nations and free institutions throughout the world. It is not our power but our will and character that is being tested tonight. The question all Americans must ask and answer tonight is this: Does the richest and strongest nation in the history of the world have the character to meet a direct challenge by a group which rejects every effort to win a just peace, ignores our warning, tramples on solemn agreements, violates the neutrality of an unarmed people, and uses our prisoners as hostages?
If we fail to meet this challenge, all other nations will be on notice that despite its overwhelming power the United States, when a real crisis comes, will be found wanting. [snip]
Whether I may be a one-term President is insignificant compared to whether by our failure to act in this crisis the United States proves itself to be unworthy to lead the forces of freedom in this critical period in world history. I would rather be a one-term President and do what I believe is right than to be a two-term President at the cost of seeing America become a second-rate power and to see this nation accept the first defeat in its proud 190-year history.
Well, he got the latter, protestations to the contrary. Or at least part of a second term.
It remains to be seen if events play out differently this time. It certainly is a reflection of the desperation in the administration that they’d consider turning back to the Vietnam-era playbook. Or a reflection of the hubris with which they think, “the rules don’t apply in our case.”
Hersh certainly believes it’s the latter, from what he’s hearing:
HERSH: Suffice to say this, that this president in private, at Camp David with his friends, the people that I’m sure call him George, is very serene about the war. He’s upbeat. He thinks that he’s going to be judged, maybe not in five years or ten years, maybe in 20 years. He’s committed to the course. He believes in democracy.
HERSH: He believes that he’s doing the right thing, and he’s not going to stop until he gets — either until he’s out of office, or he falls apart, or he wins.
BLITZER: But this has become, your suggesting, a religious thing for him?
HERSH: Some people think it is. Other people think he’s absolutely committed, as I say, to the idea of democracy. He’s been sold on this notion.
He’s a utopian, you could say, in a world where maybe he doesn’t have all the facts and all the information he needs and isn’t able to change.
I’ll tell you, the people that talk to me now are essentially frightened because they’re not sure how you get to this guy. [snip]
And if you’re a general and you have a disagreement with this war, you cannot get that message into the White House. And that gets people unnerved.
BLITZER: Here’s what you write. You write, “Current and former military and intelligence officials have told me that the president remains convinced that it is his personal mission to bring democracy to Iraq, and that he is impervious to political pressure, even from fellow Republicans. They also say that he disparages any information that conflicts with his view of how the war is proceeding.”
Those are incredibly strong words, that the president basically doesn’t want to hear alternative analysis of what is going on.
HERSH: You know, Wolf, there is people I’ve been talking to — I’ve been a critic of the war very early in the New Yorker, and there were people talking to me in the last few months that have talked to me for four years that are suddenly saying something much more alarming.
They’re beginning to talk about some of the things the president said to him about his feelings about manifest destiny, about a higher calling that he was talking about three, four years ago.
I don’t want to sound like I’m off the wall here. But the issue is, is this president going to be capable of responding to reality? Is he going to be able — is he going to be capable if he going to get a bad assessment, is he going to accept it as a bad assessment or is he simply going to see it as something else that is just a little bit in the way as he marches on in his crusade that may not be judged for 10 or 20 years.
He talks about being judged in 20 years to his friends. And so it’s a little alarming because that means that my and my colleagues in the press corps, we can’t get to him maybe with our views. You and you can’t get to him maybe with your interviews.
How do you get to a guy to convince him that perhaps he’s not going the right way?
Jack Murtha certainly didn’t do it. As I wrote, they were enraged at Murtha in the White House.
And so we have an election coming up — Yes. I’ve had people talk to me about maybe Congress is going to have to cut off the budget for this war if it gets to that point. I don’t think they’re ready to do it now.
But I’m talking about sort of a crisis of management. That you have a management that’s seen by some of the people closely involved as not being able to function in terms of getting information it doesn’t want to receive.
Footnote: I’m certainly no military historian, and I remember little of the military details from the time (I was an adolescent, but reading Nixon’s speech made my hair stand on end in recollection, so I must have seen it at the time). However, Google is my friend, and if you’d like to look into this in more detail, try googling “Operation Linebacker II Christmas Offensive.” I look forward to the feedback of those with more familiarity with the subject than I as to whether I’m on base in this assessment, and to what degree the Iraqi insurgency has their eyes on the 2006 / 2008 elections and US polls in developing their strategies.
I also remember how Nixon came unglued behind the scenes as his world crumbled, and how we only saw it in bits and pieces and hints at the time. When Hersh says “he’s not going to stop until he gets — either until he’s out of office, or he falls apart, or he wins” I think there may be more that we’ve yet to hear of what’s really going on in the West Wing.
I was 24 in 1972 and hyper-conscious. The parallels are so uncanny that my husband has been having nightmares, replays of jungle fighting. Let’s hope that Bush resigns next year like Nixon did. And let Cheney be indicted just like Spiro Agnew.
And, yes, the war with Syria has already begun, with little notice, just the way operations in Cambodia were in full-bloom before Nixon’s announcement.
that took out Nixon w/the Watergate scam are hard at work trying to take out BushCo.
CheneyCo, really.
The only major differences here are that:
1-The President is only a figurehead. It’s harder to take down a shadow President who has a ready-made patsy just standing around waiting to be patsyfied.
2-The criminality of those in power is SO pervasive…and so totally accepted by the public due to the Administration’s almost total control of the media until the last month or so…that a little thing like a muffed burglary would have barely caused a stir during the last six years.
I mean…hell, they stole two Presidential elections right in plain sight.
and
3-The sheer malevolence of these people…their undoubted tendency and ability to totally personally fuck up their opponents’ lives, right on through career, finances and family and on into the final option if necessary…scares the SHIT out of anyone with any sense whatsoever.
If DC is like a big neighborhood (and it is, really…as above, so below), then this is the most brutal crime family to ever control that neighborhood, and everybody who lives there knows exactly what the stakes are if they go into opposition mode against them.
They may be dumb and crude, these BushCo people…but they ARE brutal.
And at least in the short term, that kind of brutality flat out WORKS.
On the evidence.
Ever live in a gangster-controlled environment?
I have.
And that shit WORKS.
Trust me.
Until as is the case with all evil, it consumes itself.
The idea is not to get burned up along WITH it.
We shall see…
AG
Ditto, my spouse and I were just discussing this. I had dreams of the jungle last night, as I did when my high school lab partner was killed in the waning days of Vietnam.
I would like to see the resignation scenes repeated, however!
I hear ya Kidspeak,
mine started kicking in in the beginning of this war. Things I never thought of for years all of a sudden just pop into your head.
you and I are on the same wave-length this morning KP… π
That’s the kicker right there and that is what these neocons believe with the core of their being… the US has the right to be the only totalitarian nation on the block… their totalitarianism is better than anyone elses…
It’s all about the power, isn’t it?
I made the comment the other day that the rest of the world sees us as the new Soviet Union.
The question is, will we see it ourselves and change direction?
Which ties right in with what we were just saying over at your diary π
As long as Cheney is in office Bush will be safe; folks will say “The cure is worse than the disease.”
Should Cheney be forced from office, Bush should be VERY concerned about whether he’ll finish his term.
My suspicion is that Cheney’s replacement would be someone the Republican business establishment wants to position for 2008, potentially running as an incumbent (like Gerald Ford). My bet would be McCain. Of course, the economy and energy issues might do him in, which also sounds eerily familiar…
This was supposed to be attached to sjct’s comment.
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the Repubs are not going to impeach Bush or pressure him to resign for their sakes. The latter could happen but, I doubt it. So, impeachment will only come after the Democrats take back the House in ’06. At that point, I don’t know why they can’t impeach both Bush and Cheney! I mean, why the hell not? They’re both guilty of the same “high crimes.” Hmmm… President Pelosi and –just to keep the wingnuts from going postal — Vice President McCain, bi-partisan, interim heads until the ’08 election. Hey, a gal can dream, can’t she?
Last time I was in Alexandria, VA, a lot of telephone polls were plastered with homemade posters that said, “Impeach Cheney FIRST!” Really made me laugh.
I’m still holding my hope in check until the ’06 elections. If, after all this shit, the Democrats DON’T take back the House then we’ll know we’ve been permanantly Diebolded and we won’t be discussing our plans after that on the internet. Go Wolverines, if you know what I mean… Nah, that would never happen; US citizens are too passive, obese and hypnotized by their flickering tv screens.
The language of war is the same whether it’s Nixon or bush spouting macho garbage like that speech…rather uncanny how bush could say that exact same speech isn’t it. Simply substitute terrorists for North Vietnamese.
It shows that during the last 4 millennia or so, those whose relentless ambition is for power over others in the world have learned nothing.
Possibly because most of us who are educated don’t seek power so we never reach for it. Those of us who aren’t educated and seek it, get it.
They get it by being bullies and just like any playground the nerdy smart kids usually get their lunch money taken from them.
The Vietnamese Communists did not provoke the Christmas bombing with military activity. Actually, they attempted what was meant to be a Final Offensive much earlier that year, starting in March or April, I believe, while Nixon was making his grand tour of China and the subsequent trip to Moscow. It came damn close to overrunning the South, and was only stopped by an enormous bombing offensive concentrated on NVA troops operating south of the DMZ, as well as round-the-clock B52 strikes against Hanoi and Haiphong (the latter’s harbor was also mined). At that point there were virtually no US combat troops left in Vietnam, only about 100,000 soldiers who were almost entirely of the rear-echelon variety. Had the offensive succeeded, most of them would probably have been captured, giving Nixon an enormous catastrophe heading into election season. The force of the attack was broken with US and South Vietnamese air power, and the ARVN was able to finish off the remnants of the offensive by early September, it’s only truly successful operation of the war.
What provoked the Christmas bombing was actually intransigence on the part of the Saigon government, which refused to sign the treaty Kissinger presented them with just prior to the November election because it refused to call for the withdrawal of the large numbers of troops the Hanoi regime still had in the South. Nixon demanded a token withdrawal on Hanoi’s part, they refused, finally he decided to unleash the most savage bombing campaign of a war that had already seen more and heavier bombing raids than ever before in history. In the end, Nixon had to back down over this issue as the bombing campaign provoked such a negative reaction domestically and internationally that Congress finally threatened to cut off all funding for the war. Nixon privately made Thieu some promises that were never kept about coming to his aid if Hanoi did not abide by the terms of the tready, and threatened to withhold all aid if he didn’t sign.
On the whole though, we do seem to be seeing a repeat of the Nixonian theory that the side we’re supporting can be victorious if we turn over ground combat operations to them and support them with massive air power. Considering that Cheney and Rumsfeld were both in the Nixon and Ford administrations when this strategy failed in Indochina, you’d think they’d draw the appropriate lesson from that debacle. The inability to do any kind of reflective thinking on the part of these two and their various acolytes is both astounding and frightening.
The difference that Cheney and Rumsfeld are counting on is that they have a Republican-controlled House and Senate.
In 1972 both houses were in Democratic hands, and the conservative movement had not occurred.
Still, you’d think they’d be able to come up with a different strategy rather than repeat one that demonstrably does not work.
I was a junior at Berkeley in 1972, busily trying to destroy that hallowed institution from within π
I am worried that we can count on Bush replicating all of the worst aspects of the late-period Vietnam war and then building on them. Incursions into Syria, but with no improvement in US troop security. Bombing not a far-away enemy capital and concentrations of enemy troops, but bombing Sunni civilians under the pretense of hitting “terrorist strongholds”.
Juan Cole, during my interview with him a few months ago was, afaik, the first to advocate using US airpower in support of Iraqi units combined with a pullout of US ground forces. But his concept was to use US air power to prevent “set-piece battles” between Iraqi units and concentrations of Sunni forces. Bush is, I believe, destined to pervert this reasonable approach into another methodology for a bloodbath.
The way I understand Murthra’s plan basically, iirc, it’s withdraw to the borders of Iraq, have military units able to respond quickly inside the borders if needed, and pursue diplomacy. There wouldn’t be so many American targets and, as we now know, the Iraqi factions agree they want us out.
By contrast, I’ve read in several reliable sources that the military in charge on the ground want more troops.
Bush’s response to Murthra: Reduce the number of troops.
Here’s my question: Doesn’t that seem far more dangerous for Americans in Iraq than Murthra’s plan? Is there some redeeming virtue I don’t see?
It really is dumb to think that you can reduce the number of US troops and not make those that remain less safe.
As to the caliber of the troops that will replace them (i.e., the various Shiite/Kurdish militias that will be misnamed the Iraqi Army), Juan Cole had the following to say yesterday:
Imagine what would happen to the Green Zone if the guerrillas had some tanks to send against it. Not a pleasant thought, is it?
Imagine what would happen to the Green Zone if the guerrillas had some tanks to send against it.
Imagine what would happen to the people and tanks. Cole’s “if” assumes no American forces available for the Iraqi military. Flawed assumption. Vast difference between unseen – over the horizon – and unavailable. Tanks are easy targets for a variety of U.S. weapons systems, none of which need be visible to the guerrillas.
Those tanks hijacked in Baghdad could do a fair amount of damage before any US planes or other weapons systems could knock them out. The guerrillas aren’t going to mass them in the desert for a set battle, after all.
And seizing them takes them away from the “Iraqi Army,” thus making them even more dependent on US air power and the like.
Thank you. It’s good to know I’ve not completely lost my mind! I can’t bear to think of the suffering and death that will occur this way, compared to Rep. Murthra’s plan. Shame, shame. All for oil. Damn!
Sy Hersh is saying the U.S. is in a train that is going full speed on the wrong track, and the Engineer is blind drunk, has the door to the cab locked and barricaded so no one else can get in to stop him, and he is speeding the train up to get to a utopian destination only he can see.
As of right now, no one else can get into the cab to stop the Engineer, and best estimates are that it will take over three years to get through the door.
is the meaning of the uncanny similarities you and others mention. Also see Syria and Iran as Cambodia and Laos. Undoubtedly there is covert (illegal) action going on in both Syria and Iran althoughin Iran our British cohorts may be doing more than us at the moment.
Whilst I’ve no doubt that there are attempts to do some covert penetration of Iran, the amount of such activity pales in comparison to the level of overt, let alone covert, activity that Iran is engaged in on the ground in Iraq.
The last time I checked the US/UK did not have thousands of operatives that were implanted in the heart of the Iranian political, military and security structure; this is exactly the situation that Iran enjoys in Iraq, where those Teheran-friendly SCIRI-Badr, Dawa and other types are in power, both at the regional and the central level.
that a lot of the “Iranian” operatives you talk about have been elected by the Iraqi people or put in place by us and are actually Iraqi citizens. There are many weird ironies in this situation. Just the Chalabi saga is mind bending enough.
We may not like the level of Iranian influence in Iraq but the majority Shia Iraqis of the South seem OK with it.
The difference between that and our covert operations is that as always our operations seem to lack any local support in the countries it is being carried out in.
For no other reason, I damn the Bush Administration because I get to relive the Vietnam War, all over again. There are eerie similarities to 1972. The major one is the media manipulation and lack of information of what is going on. I really was shocked when Saigon fell in 1975. Yet, many years later, reading “A Bright Shining Lie” I learned the valley where I was stationed from 1969 to 1970 fell to the communists three years earlier in 1972 after the last US troops pulled out.
2005 is even worse because there is no realistic criticism of the Iraq policy except in the internet. Joe Lieberman (D, CT) has just come back from Iraq and in the WSJ reports real progress there. Sure Senator. Too bad the Senator never drove around Saigon post 1968, a paradise compared to Bagdad. He could then make some valid comparisons about progress of American colonization.
I think Juan Cole’s comments about the Sunni’s are valid. They will never stop trying to regain the power they once held before the Americans invaded Iraq. The insurrection will continue for generations. There are three choices to end the war, exterminate the Sunni (a bit of a problem with a billion Sunni Arabs spread across North Africa), partition Iraq or withdraw out of Iraq. The continued occupation of a Muslim country with inadequate forces will destroy the US Army before the decade is over.
The die has been cast but will never be announced. US troops will withdraw over the horizon into the fourteen permanent bases and air power will support Iraqi groups that don’t threaten to overrun their bases. In effect, Iraq will be partitioned by 500 pound bombs.