Here are the stages to passing a piece of legislation once it has passed through the committees with jurisdiction:
1. The House passes a bill with a simple majority.
2. The Senate gets 60 votes to start debate on a bill, 60 votes to end debate on a bill, and 51 votes to pass it.
3. A Conference Committee convenes, made up of representatives of both parties of both house of Congress, and irons out the discrepancies between the two bills. Once they have one bill, they send it back to be passed thru:
4. The House, with a simple majority.
5. The Senate, which automatically begins debate but still needs sixty votes to end debate, and 51 votes for final passage.
As I have stated before, the administration has always intended to wait until they reach the fifth step to put on a full-court press for the public option and whatever other pieces of this legislation that they consider must-have. The main reason for this is that they simply didn’t think they would ever have 60 votes for the public option in the second stage. But it is also because their number one priority was to keep the ball moving. If they insisted on a certain provision at the committee level and it didn’t pass, the process would stall there. If they insisted on it at Stage One or Two, it would stall there. The place to take risk was always during the crafting of the Conference Report (Stage Three) and the real hurdle was always crafting something there that could pass through Stage Five.
If you simply add this distinction between Stage Two and Stage Five, then Jon Cohn’s analysis makes perfect sense. But, if you don’t make the distinction between the two stages, it doesn’t make sense at all.
Cohn lays out the White House’s current position and contrasts it with what some of their critics are saying. He argues that there isn’t really a distinction if you realize that the administration is supportive of a public option but feeling risk-averse because they lack confidence that Reid can pass one. What needs to be added is that they are risk-averse because they always planned on taking a stand for the public option in the Conference Committee (Stage Three) and making their public case for it in preparation for final passage in the Senate (Stage Five). Why should they change this plan and risk stalling the whole process at Stage Two?
The critical piece you need to understand this strategy is that the hardest vote to get is Stage Two. Once both Houses of Congress pass their own versions of health care reform, everyone will have a big self-congratulatory party. At least 60 senators will have already have come together and voted for reform once. It will be incredibly hard for any Democrat to turn around at that point and vote against final passage just because something was added or subtracted in the Conference Report.
If you doubt me about this distinction, consider this. If the White House didn’t think it would be possible to pass a public option at Stage Five, they would have killed off the idea long ago or made the case for using the back-up budget reconciliation process if it wasn’t included. And if they thought it was possible to pass a public option through the Finance Committee or on the first pass in the Senate (Stage Two) they would have fought for it. They always assumed that the public option was only gettable in the Senate at Stage Five. But, now, Harry Reid is telling them that he can get a form of it at Stage Two. Keeping that in mind, read the following from Cohn:
But when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid briefed the president at the White House on Wednesday, Obama responded with a series of tough questions–not rejecting the idea, but not rushing to embrace it, either. When word of that meeting leaked out, public option supporters took Obama’s reaction to mean that the administration continued to prefer the “trigger” compromise, under which a failure by private insurers to deliver affordable coverage would trigger the creation of a public plan.
Maine Senator Olympia Snowe, the lone Republican working with Democrats on health care, favors a trigger. And it’s no secret that the administration has worked hard to keep her on board–either because Obama wants at least one Republican vote, because he believes losing her might mean losing some moderate Democrats, or some combination thereof.
Whatever his reasons–and it’s possible only Obama himself knows–his reaction prompted complaints that generated headlines in the Huffington Post and Talking Points Memo, among others. The administration responded by stating, clearly, it was not trying to undercut the Senate leadership. But it still did not go out of its way to support the opt-out–something the Senate leadership noticed, according to the senior staffer.
All of this talk about how the president doesn’t want a public option is nonsense. The idea that he wants a trigger because he loves Olympia Snowe so much is also nonsense. What he wants is to pass a bill through the Senate on the first pass. He does not want the bill to stall there. And he probably is struggling to understand why he should risk stalling it there when it wasn’t ever considered necessary to have a public option at the first pass in order to have it in the final bill. What he’s telling Harry Reid is, ‘go ahead and pass it now if you can, but I’m not putting all my eggs in your basket.’
This position does harm to Reid’s ability to whip for the vote now, but Obama only really cares about whipping the final bill. This confuses people who don’t understand the crucial distinction between the first and last Senate votes. They assume that Obama only cares about passing something. But he explained his strategy quite clearly back in July:
The House bills and the Senate bills will not be identical. We know this. The politics are different, because the makeup of the Senate and the House are different and they operate on different rules. I am not interested in making the best the enemy of the good. There will be a conference committee where the House and Senate bills will be reconciled, and that will be a tough, lengthy and serious negotiation process.
I am less interested in making sure there’s a litmus test of perfection on every committee than I am in going ahead and getting a bill off the floor of the House and off the floor of the Senate. Eighty percent of those two bills will overlap. There’s going to be 20 percent that will be different in terms of how it will be funded, its approach to the public plan, its pay-or-play provisions. We shouldn’t automatically assume that if any of the bills coming out of the committees don’t meet our test, that there is a betrayal or failure. I think it’s an honest process of trying to reconcile a lot of different interests in a very big bill.
Conference is where these differences will get ironed out. And that’s where my bottom lines will remain: Does this bill cover all Americans? Does it drive down costs both in the public sector and the private sector over the long-term. Does it improve quality? Does it emphasize prevention and wellness? Does it have a serious package of insurance reforms so people aren’t losing health care over a preexisting condition? Does it have a serious public option in place? Those are the kind of benchmarks I’ll be using. But I’m not assuming either the House and Senate bills will match up perfectly with where I want to end up. But I am going to be insisting we get something done.
That should be clear if you understand the different points in the process. There are a few tough votes in the Senate. Even Schumer says that they are still one or two votes short. If the administration is going to put on a full-court press for those last holdouts, they only want to do it once.
reading your analysis versus jane’s analysis is like watching the fuckin’ lincoln-douglas debates, or reading the federalists versus the anti-federalists.
We’ll see…
I stopped reading her analysis so I don’t even know what she is currently arguing.
Her work has been vitally important for sustaining support for the public option, but her analysis was basically that the president is a corporatist tool who should only be taken literally when he is stomping on the public option.
I have to give Hamsher credit for speaking her ideals from Day One and never pulling punches. She is not one who was an Obama enemy in the primaries. In fact, she was critical of Hillary over listening to that fool, Mark Penn, and trying to run to Obama’s right. She suggested Hillary come out against telecom immunity and challenge Obama to do the same (even though politically risky). To her credit, she’s always spoken her truth as she sees it.
However, Hamsher is a far better idealist and one who rallies the troops than political strategist. I’ve been hanging around here, lurking, for months because you are one of the very few political analysts who really understands the inside game, Booman. Al Giordano wrote with great insight about Obama’s strategies during the election but has shown no interest whatsoever in health care reform.
I spend as little time as possible listening to the histrionics of well meaning idealists who lack any sense of how to play the game. That’s why I don’t bother myself with Firedoglake or Dailykos very much anymore. Lord knows we on the left have had a talent for creating circular firing squads. It’s time we leave that particular endeavor to those on the right.
So, yes, we should all keep making phone calls, writing letters and even knocking on doors in support of the strongest possible public option. I’m certainly doing that. But withdraw support from the best president of my lifetime (dating back to the Kennedy Administration) I will not.
“…we should all keep making phone calls, writing letters and even knocking on doors in support of the strongest possible public option…”
amen to that.
all the scenarios and analysis of strategy, regardless of their accuracy, will be for naught if we don’t keep the pressure up on both houses of congress.
l’m now on a first name basis with the phone staff at my reps’ and senators local offices…making a pest of myself, as it were…and encouraging others to do the same.
as the great sage yogi said. it ain’t over till it’s over.
“her analysis was basically that the president is a corporatist tool who should only be taken literally when he is stomping on the public option.”
well, I don’t necessarily disagree with that point of view myself. most american politicians are corporatist tools, and you can see that reflected in the no-strings bailout, taking single-payer off the table before the table was even set, and their slavish fealty to the telecom industry, which god forbid should ever be held accountable for breaking the law.
Thanks again for the info and thought out analysis.
Between Jane’s and Booman’s version of events, I am going to go with the person who actually on the phone during a conference meeting with the President. Ezra Klein is essentially saying the same thing.
But that’s not going to stop people from reading the tea leaves.
I don’t know if Jane was on the phone for that conference call, but I am sure she was invited. FDL has had the exact same access that I’ve had.
Well, if they did have the same access, then apprently they are not utilizing it well, to craft thoughtful analysis.
How can they infer from the paragragh where you noted several times what President Obama wants in health care reform, that he is a corporatist tool and doesn’t want a public option?
I didn’t infer that at all. So what that says to me is that she is trying to keep her readership in tact, similar to Ariana Huffington by not informing the public what is actually going on.
Not a good assumption. As an attorney and mediator, I can tell you that two people in the same room listening to the same conversation can come away with very different perceptions (and memories) or what was said even though both were listening in good faith.
It’s more difficult to have an open mind than any of us imagine. We see ourselves as open because we don’t see our own prejudices and blind spots.
I understand that. But I am not the only to notice that Jane Hamsher twists words and ideas to fit her agenda.
How do you know this: “the administration has always intended to wait until they reach the fifth step to put on a full-court press for the public option and whatever other pieces of this legislation that they consider must-have.”
Isn’t a simpler explanation that the admin really wants to pass a bill and doesn’t think the public option is so important? Surely, it makes eventual passage of a public option more likely in Stage 5 to have it in both chambers’ bills in Stage 2.
How do I know this?
Because the president was asked why he wasn’t pushing the Finance Committee to include a public option. He didn’t say it was because they wouldn’t obey him (which was the truth), he said it didn’t matter because he’d put it in in the Conference Report.
Do you have a link to a story where Obama is quoted thus or is this something you know from your own attendance at a meeting with the President?
It’s in the body of this post. The hyperlink says ‘July.’
I thought of doing this in the body of this post but decided it would look messy and distracting. I will include the stages so that Obama’s meaning is more clear:
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Ezra Klein on July 20 conference call: Trust Us.
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
And, again, crucially, he didn’t say he’d put it in the melded bill prior to conference. He said he’d put it in post-first pass senate vote.
That’s not even reading tea leaves. That’s what he said in July.
I dunno… I just personally find it really hard to trust that the administration and Congressional leaders will do the right thing in the endgame. I recognize that’s a personal bias, and I don’t think I’m alone. I really appreciate your commentary because you’ve made me realize my bias may not represent reality, and that the White House may intend to support good legislation in the end. I like your bias better than my bias. 🙂
My other objection to trusting the endgame is that I don’t trust members of Congress to act or vote rationally. Many of them and probably White House staff as well have made major power plays during this. There are going to be winners and losers, and the losers are going to be bitter and angry. The less chance those people have of messing up the endgame, the better.
What I find confusing is the way people can hold these contradictory ideas in their head. Here we are discussing whether or not Harry Reid will attempt to put in a public option at Stage Two and the president isn’t saying no. He’s wondering whether it will work or screw everything up. And people assume he is actually against using a public option. They aren’t even limiting themselves to arguing that he just wants something to pass. They’re going further and saying he really doesn’t want a public option.
Well, he said pretty plainly that his plan was to add the language he wanted in the Conference. If he can add it earlier, he’s certainly for doing that. It’s not like he wants to make it more difficult to get what he wants. Why this is so hard to understand seems to be a simple matter of lack of familiarity with Congressional process.
That, and people think the president should be able to bark and get 60 senators to do his bidding. If he could do that so easily, we’d have had a public option in the finance bill and we wouldn’t even be discussing it.
wouldn’t it then go to the reconciliation process in the Senate, and then to conference?
I’d almost rather force everyone’s hand and find out if we have the 60 votes now. Waiting until step 5 requires us to trust Obama et al. to step in at the last minute, and I’m not sure I have that trust in Obama after how he came down on the side of the moneyed interests in the stimulus while appointing Geithner and Summers to manage the economy policies. There has been a history of leadership squeezing the progressives at the very end, and I don’t know why this legislation would be any different.
Trusting politician versus forcing their hand usually has me on the side of forcing their hand.
… that I’ve never read a clear narrative about how the reconciliation process is initiated if it is determined to take that route. If reconciliation is no longer an option or not an option until after conference, your [Booman’s] argument is much more persuasive
You are discussing the budget reconciliation process, which is different from what is going on now or what would go on in the Conference Committee. Reconciling differences between bills is not the budget reconciliation process.
If the Senate cannot beat filibusters, at any point, then the bill fails. At that point, they will use the budget reconciliation process, but all pieces of the bill will then be subject to a point of order if they don’t directly impact the budget deficit. It’s a nightmare that they definitely want to avoid if possible.
In the starkest, simplest terms, the Senate is going to pass a bill that is more conservative than the House. It will move to the left in the Conference Committee, but it can only move so far before it loses support in the Senate. It is easier to pass a good bill in the Senate at the end than at the beginning.
thanks.
My preference then, is that it’s better to find out if we need and risk the messy budget reconciliation process now than to risk that the triggers would not be pulled in conference.
I can’t shake the skepticism/cynicism I have about how corporations will influence the final version coming out of conference.
Think about it like this:
If the bill stalls, it has to go to budget reconciliation. It is only preferable to go that way if the only bill that can pass through regular order is an unacceptable bill.
Therefore, it is best to do everything possible to pass a good bill through regular order.
If you think you can get what you want in Conference, there is no reason to risk stalling it now.
So, before you demand they do it now, make sure that they can do it now.
If you think they can’t do it ever, then what are we even talking about? We should just be managing failure to set up the reconciliation process.
to do step 5 now and don’t agree that a trigger would necessarily be taken out in conference.
On a tangent, I just saw the outraged mom decrying a soda tax while she puts a 2 liter bottle of Hawaiian Punch in the grocery cart and then hugging her son.
Whatever the final version, I WANT a soda tax because of these ads.
And what I’m saying is ‘hell yes’ it makes sense to do it now, if you can do it now. But, if you can’t, it makes no sense at all.
This is what I simply disagree with.
But that’s all it is a disagreement. I would hope that if Obama does not push hard for a real PO in stage 5 (I think it’s stage 5) that you attack him for it.
It’s confusing. Stage 3 is where the bill gets written. Stage 5 is where the administration fights like hell to get the final bill passed through the Senate. But, unless they’re retarded, they’ll secure the support in the Senate at Stage 3 and only be working to sustain that support against Republican attacks at Stage 5.
Also confusing is that it would seem to be harder to get the Senate to vote for a more liberal bill at the end than a more conservative vote at the beginning. But, what’s really the hardest is to get them all to vote for the first bill. After that vote, having voted in favor, the senators lose most of their leverage. They will all still have veto power in theory, but reality is quite different. Joining a Republican filibuster at the end is too painful. And that’s exactly why we can get a better bill post-conference than pre.
Huh, to me that argues for fighting hard now. If we pass it now, they can’t go back on their votes and Republicans realize that they are now totally irrelevant and so have more incentive to go along increasing a chance for bipartisanship. It’s far easier I think, for Senators to say “Look, I voted for it with a trigger but now you made it something that will actually benefit people! Betrayal! No Vote!!”
I guess I expect traitors (like Bayh) to pop up after the conference report using that as an excuse. So I think forcing them to take a stand now is actually more beneficial.
Don’t you think it would be politically risky (to say the least) to come out as the Democrat who prevented health care reform from passing? Would just about guarantee a primary challenge, funded by the entire left wing of the party. Although Lieberman survived his challenge, everyone saw how dangerous we can be.
Arrogant though he can be, I don’t think even Bayh would have the nerve.
Well, Obama followed your advice. He took the risk. So, if it fails to pass under regular order, are you willing to cut him slack?
You wouldn’t indulge in wild, fantastic assumptions, would you?
I don’t see why “the reality is different”. I have your word for that but no real explanation of why a Blue-dog Democrat Senator couldn’t and wouldn’t say, “My friend, it’s true, I voted for the bill that went into Conference; but what has come out is not the same thing, nor even “close enough”. That’s why I’m now voting against the (Conference Committee) Report.”
Again, this is the assumption on which you’re betting everything and, again, what we’ve got is your word for its validity and not-a-whole-lot besides your good word.
If you put what you’re assumption rests on in different terms, it doesn’t appear so iron-clad, for what you’re in essence arguing is that it makes good sense to suppose that Senators and House members would be terror-stricken by the admonition:
“What??!!! You dare (to now) betray the interests of the American people??!!!”
Excuse me for being underwhelmed by such reasoning and the assumption behind it.
And, before you remind me not to condescend, please note your own very routine condescension here:
“You are going to hear progressives complaining about the opt-out provision, and castigating the president for taking so long to come on board. Don’t worry. It’s what they do. The president has already won the biggest battle so long as Harry Reid is right that he has the sixty votes.”
I think that’s condescending on your part; and it’s routine here.
I don’t give a flip if my comments go ignored. I’m here to state my views of things as I see them. Others are free to agree or disagree as they see fit. But, when it comes to your scolding people and laying down terms for polite discussion, I think that what’s sauce for the goose ought to be sauce for the fucking gander, too.
I expect President Obama to sign anything that comes to his desk as passed by Congress from the Conference Committee on this issue, claiming, if need be, that it contains all of the elements he set out as conditions for his support. I wonder if you disagree.
Thanks for this detailed analysis.
It’s the most plausible and best fleshed out explanation I’ve seen to date for Obama’s unpleasant behavior. It seems in-character for Obama to be obsessed with “keeping his powder dry” and carefully timing a single powerful address.
That said, I would hope that you make an exception to your Hamsher boycott to read her new op-ed in HuffPo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/why-is-harry-reid-coverin_b_331962.html – She can be shrill and uncompromising, but she was sure as hell right about Lieberman and a number of other things. Basically, if you want to argue against Hamsher, you have to be willing to take the position that Obama, Emanuel et al are NOT, as you say, “corporatists”. That’s a tough one. You could have defended Bill Clinton for 8 years – scoffing at anyone who attacked him from the left, but history has clearly proven that the war on the middle class continued powerfully during those 8 years. We are f***ed today – (and that point should not be glossed over) – and Clinton’s 8 years of “triangulation” played a huge role in it.
Finally, I’m still passionately in favor of the ad: (http://www.actblue.com/page/obamafight) – now up to 44K – not because I’m unwilling to accept your excellent analysis but because it’s an insurance policy against you be wrong and more importantly, because the ad’s true targets are Snowe and the not-mentioned but painfully implicated Susan Collins.
Let’s not forget that this entire drama would be 100% unnecessary if Maine’s voters could simply elect 2 senators who represent their clearly-polled views. If we had two Maine democrats in their place we could lose Nelson and Bayh and still have 60.
I don’t see where the ad, which I like, goes against Boo’s excellent take on the process. The ad is respectful of Obama, doesn’t call him names or make accusations about his “real” motives, unlike some leftie agitators. It does what we’re supposed to do: Make him do it. And keep the pressure on the so-called moderate Republicans. Whatever the ultimate plan, pressure needs to be maintained at every stage, or it begins to look like nobody cares. Wouldn’t be the first time proposals have failed for that very reason. How else do you show the media drones that there’s a “constituency” for reform?
Boo’s process explanation is outstanding and provides the only hopeful view of the administration’s behavior. It does neglect a fundamental motivation among some on the Left: a need to distrust all politicians and assume the worst about every one of them. Half a century of Dem sellouts to the Right, plus eight years of an administration that did more harm to the country than was imaginable before it took over, makes that an understandable position.
So we end up with a clash between Obama’s pragmatic drive to get something done (if that’s what’s going on), which requires a certain amount of good faith toward the president, vs the inability of the more vocal parts of the Left to give that good faith. Hopefully a good outcome on healthcare reform will set the stage for at least not assuming the worst in everything Obama does, but the emotional imperative to keep on doing so seems to run very deep, so I’m not expecting any massive change in attitude.
I think we’re at the beginning of several major shifts. Over time, the left will come to see Obama as both an idealist and a political genius. In addition, after meaningful health care reform passes, even the remaining rump of the Republican party will start to crumble. The 20-someodd percent who distrust government in the most fundamental ways imaginable will begin to notice (at least some of them will) that collective political action can lead to good things if done right. Then the twenty-someodds will fall below 20% and never be heard from again. Not unlike Europe, where even the conservatives support public health care systems.
“Over time, the left will come to see Obama as both an idealist and a political genius.”
“I think we’re at the beginning of several major shifts. … In addition, after meaningful health care reform passes, even the remaining rump of the Republican party will start to crumble. The 20-someodd percent who distrust government in the most fundamental ways imaginable will begin to notice (at least some of them will) that collective political action can lead to good things if done right. Then the twenty-someodds will fall below 20% and never be heard from again. Not unlike Europe, where even the conservatives support public health care systems.”
I’m marking your words, printing them out and pasting them alongside some of the gut-busting outrageous laugh-fests which conservatives’ similar remarks have provided me over the past eight years of Bush and Cheney.
I was told confidently by one conservative clairvoyant how Bush and Cheney would demonstrate their superiority and whip discipline on the Iraqis in their “Mission Accomplished” mission there.
Your own prognostication here reminds me of nothing so much as those and similarly confident pronouncements, instructing me then, on the evident realities of political world according to then-ruling conservatives.
I have a counter-view for your consideration. It consists of the views expressed by the historian, Andrew Bacevich in his conclusion of his essay, The Limits of Power: The End of American Exceptionalism. I suggest you read them. Their a tonic for the starry-eyed optimism you’ve expressed above. At this late stage, I find such optimism truly staggering. Is there no limit to people’s gullibility?
regarding my suggestion to read Andrew Bacevich’s conclusions in his book, The Limits of Power, here, for your convenience, is an excerpt, taken from pages 170-172 of the paperback edition:
And yet, the assumptions which Professor Bacevich calls into question here, like your own optimistic views, are also held among some of those who have impeccable credentials as members of the élite. I know of one renowned Ivy League professor who expressed exactly the same naive expectations which Bacevich criticizes above, showing undisguised disdain and incredulity upon being asked whether he believed that the U.S. could recover from the grievous blows to its institutional integrity inflicted by the Bush/Cheney administrations, and, if it could, how long it would take to repair these and regain a condition of reasonable functioning.
Great point on Snow and Collins. New England voters are famously independent and hard to predict, though.
As for Hamsher, I admire her idealism but a political strategist she is not. To the extent she encourages people to keep pushing their Senators and Reps for the strongest possible public option, I support her. But I wish she would tone down the anti-Obama rhetoric. It’s not helpful.
She’s just calling it as she sees it. Given what we know about Rahm Emanuel, and Obama, I can’t blame her. And in case you wonder, Obama hasn’t been the night in shining armor. Remember, he whipped for the bank bailouts. He personally twisted arms for more war funding earlier this year. He acquiesced to a watered down stimulus(for what, exactly?). So no, I don’t trust Obama to fight for the strongest bill possible. That’s not the same thing as wanting him to fail. It’s just knowing that there are very few politicians one can trust to do the right thing.
What I believe many on the left fail to understand is that politics is the art of the possible. Don’t fault Obama for being pragmatic. You know that, if he were presented with single payer health care reform, he would sign it. We’re just not anywhere near the point where we can get that. Not yet. But if we can move the debate to the left with meaningful, albeit incomplete, reform, who knows what might come later?
Al Giordano writes well about how sausage is made, both in the short and long term. Check out his take on the fight to decriminalize marijuana:
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/3544/medical-cannabis-victory-textbook-case-organizing-and
-resistance
I prefer Galbraith’s formulation: “Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable.”
You could have defended Bill Clinton for 8 years – scoffing at anyone who attacked him from the left, but history has clearly proven that the war on the middle class continued powerfully during those 8 years. We are f***ed today – (and that point should not be glossed over) – and Clinton’s 8 years of “triangulation” played a huge role in it.
Don’t forget Clinton’s performance on Larry King the night of(or the night after) Ned Lamont’s primary victory.
Let’s not forget that this entire drama would be 100% unnecessary if Maine’s voters could simply elect 2 senators who represent their clearly-polled views. If we had two Maine democrats in their place we could lose Nelson and Bayh and still have 60.
Maine is weird. I remember reading about the fact that incumbents are super safe in Maine. They never, ever boot them out. So Snowe and Collins aren’t going anywhere any time soon.
Thanks BooMan. Again. Compare/contrast with David Waldman’s “analysis” on dkos’ front page.
Reid statement summary:
Public option with opt-out being sent to CBO for scoring.
Triggers not being sent for scoring.
Co-ops still in bill.
My analysis. The exchange structure for allowing apples-to-apples comparison of plans permits private plans, co-op plans, and the public plan (public option) as choices. So North Dakota can opt out and set up a co-op and Kent Conrad can vote for the bill.
Last media question: “How much of this is to make liberals happy?” — Gackkkkkkk!
So North Dakota can opt out and set up a co-op and Kent Conrad can vote for the bill.
You’d only do that if you knew in advance that he was Vote #51 — it’s a massive concession under any other circumstances….
Not that huge a concession if it’s a both/and proposition instead of an either/or.
It’s an organization structure who can offer a plan. CBO scoring of the Finance Committee bill opined that the likelihood of someone being able to successfully set one up was small because of the state regulatory hoops they would have to jump through.
So you have three choices instead of two: private, co-op, public
Why is it a huge concession? As long as co-ops don’t replace a real public option, where’s the harm in having them available? What are you assuming?
It’s a lot funner to just whine about OMGOBAMAHASBETRAYEDUS!!!!
Killjoy.
😛
I do get very tired of the daily rants about OMGOBAMAHASBETRAYEDUS (and I just knew he would).
lol.
I feel like sometimes shaking people and telling them to cut it out and learn a little about strategy and how things work.
We now have Reid’s presser – no trigger, opt-out with coops being sent to CBO.
I guess it doesn’t alter Boo’s roadmap until it actually passes.
on this and have been for some time now: Mission Almost Accomplished.
How could anyone who paid close attention to the Obama operation during the primary and election campaigns fail to see there’s more than meets the eye? In Obama’s world, analysis and strategy dictate tactics, which are almost always big picture, oriented towards results.
I would even take it a step further. I think to some extent, the Obama operation is taking a very un-Clinton-like approach to the mid-term elections, worrying less about his own popularity (which is solid anyway) and thinking, instead about the Democratic House and Senate. In this scenario, the strategy has been to set up the possibility of a BIG win for the Democratic Congress in such a way that it puts them in the driver’s seat next November. If it pans out, the Republican party will be in a world of hurt for the forseeable future.
Very nice diary – thanks for the link.
agree with you on that, Obama’s not looking to take credit for this – and this way looks like Reid is the one getting the public option – if it helps democrats in 2010 sobeit
Excellent analysis, as usual. But I have to ask where we have to go from here to have a democracy in which an overwhelmingly popular legislative initiative can simply sail through the legislature instead of requiring the oft-cited 11-dimensional chess master.
After all, even if a decent healthcare package passes, it’s hardly a victory for democracy; it’s just a victory for Obama and Emanuel, and probably Pelosi. In an actual democracy, it wouldn’t take the better part of a century — considering that it was Woodrow Wilson who took the first stab at it — to prevent tens of thousands of easily preventable deaths every year. The body count between then and now dwarfs the number of Max Baucus’ constituents by a full order of magnitude.
So yes, let’s win this one and rejoice and pat ourselves (and our president) on the back, but if every obviously just, necessary, and popular measure is going to take this much effort, maybe we ought to put some serious thought into changing the rules of the game.
Before Woodrow Wilson. It was Teddy Roosevelt. And out the long effort after that we got the US Public Health Service.
The Senate has always been the stumbling block to rapid reform. But it’s also been the circuit-breaker to rapid reactionary movements. Even with majorities in the House and Senate, Bush couldn’t get traction to touch Social Security.
But that battle wasn’t won by senatorial minutiae or debate. That battle was won by Josh Marshall.
It amazes me how so many people who are active politically are so confused or unlearned about the process in making bills, about strategy, ect. How they go off the rails over every rumor and time and again end up looking silly only to do the same again the next day.
And it is amazing to see how so few apparently know anything poker and the playing the opposition.
I’ve even seen people like Olbermann and Maddow fall for some of the fake rumors, probably put out by the opposition, about the PO and other health care tales.
It’s always good to hold back and wait for a few days to see if the rumor of the day is even credible before reacting.
Yes, I’ve noticed this constantly with Keith and even Rachel, and in both cases it is a blind spot. So for example the Baucus bill reported out was treated as if it was the the final bill, despite the fact that it was a part of a longer, more complex process that could overturn many of its flaws. It worries me somewhat that progressives aren’t more on the ball as a group–the constant hangwringing and writing off of the Obama White House is a continuation of the second guessing that never ceased during the campaign.
I’m willing to bet that on a host of issues–don’t ask, don’t tell, Banking Regulation, Afghanistan, Health Care, etc., etc.–you will be seeing significant results and progress by 2011 or 2012. It just won’t be accomplished in a loud, showy way but instead in a quiet, relentlessly steady and patient manner that never quite satisfies the progressive wing as a whole. My answer: scoreboard.
Obama’s approach tends to be very deliberative, which I think leads to more meaningful, lasting change than actions that appear to be done on the spur-of-the-moment to score political points with various constituencies.
Along those lines, last autumn I saw far, far too many liberal/progressive types figuratively screaming about how Obama was blowing the election by not responding immediately and with full force to each and every accusation raised by rightwingers and the McCain campaign. I even read more than a few comments that suggested Obama didn’t really have the stomach for the campaign, and that he was intentionally trying to lose. I’m sure many of the same folks are the ones aping the “Obama has betrayed us” meme today.
Instead of heeding their advice last year, Obama stayed on-message and maintained the high ground … and walked away with a landslide victory in the most culturally and politically meaningful presidential election since, perhaps, Roosevelt in ’32.
Obama knew that the best time to peak was the weekend preceeding election day, and then to ride that wave to victory. I’m confident that he understands that the same principle–focusing the effort when it will provide the greatest returns–applies with health care reform, as Booman outlines above.