In the September/October 2014 issue of the Washington Monthly, Amy Binder explores the reasons that so many graduates from our most elite colleges and universities are pursuing careers on Wall Street. At first, it seems perplexing. Very few of the freshmen kids arrive on campus thinking that a job working with credit default swaps or hostile takeovers is in their future. The professors are, if anything, unhappy with the high percentage of their students who go into finance. And, yet, the numbers do not lie.
In 2007, just before the global financial meltdown, almost 50 percent of Harvard seniors (58 percent of the men, 43 percent of the women) took jobs on Wall Street. That number contracted sharply during the Great Recession, but after 2009 it began rising again. Among this year’s graduating class at Harvard, 31 percent took jobs that will channel their energies into derivatives, mergers, and often destructive outsourcing. And many more tried out for such positions. According to a study by the sociologist Lauren Rivera, a full 70 percent of Harvard’s senior class submits résumés to Wall Street and consulting firms.
Meanwhile, among Harvard seniors who had secured employment last spring, a mere 3.5 percent were headed to government and politics, 5 percent to health-related fields, and 8.8 percent to any form of public service. Only high-tech fields captured the interest of graduating seniors at anywhere near the level of finance and consulting…
So, what happens to these students between the time they move away from home and into their dorms, and when they begin earnestly seeking post-graduation employment in their senior year?
To gain insight into this question I, along with two graduate students, Nick Bloom and Daniel Davis, interviewed sixty students and recent alums at Harvard and Stanford. Although not based on a random sample, our study included students from a variety of backgrounds, majors (called “concentrations” at Harvard), and career plans— or actual first jobs, in the case of alumni. Our research shows that students don’t just gravitate automatically to jobs in finance and consulting. Rather, this is in large part a story of universities helping to organizationally manufacture students’ aspirations for these positions.
It began with a decision made by Wall Street firms in the 1980’s to recruit heavily from the universities with the best reputations (brand equity) as a way of impressing potential clients. To accomplish this, they built relationships with the career services organizations at our top schools, which gave them more prominence at jobs fairs and more access to students’ mail (and then email). They secured the best banquet halls and reserved rooms for conducting extensive interviews. In the process, students learned about jobs they previously knew nothing about and had never aspired to, and these were very good paying jobs.
Most freshmen remain reasonably insulated from recruiters, but once students come back to school as sophomores they find it impossible not to notice their older peers’ “stampede to start applying” for jobs on Wall Street, as Nathan, a Harvard alum, put it. Whether observing seniors going through recruitment for the two-year analyst jobs post-graduation, or juniors going through recruitment for coveted summer internships (which with luck and hard work can be converted to an offer for an analyst position the following year), younger students take notice.
The result is that a fierce competition begins between students to land these financial services jobs. Even classwork takes second place, as students spend more and more time in the career services department doing endless interviews.
Noelle’s description of her own successful navigation of this stage of the process at Harvard mirrors the experience of many:
You do maybe one interview onsite, two interviews onsite, maybe one phone interview, and then they fly you out to New York, and that takes up a lot of time. I mean it’s great. You get airplane miles, you get paid for your hotel, they’re treating you like royalty. You get great meals, you get reimbursed, everything like that. But the thing is that you miss so much class. There are kids who are literally flying down to New York three times a week for three different interviews. It’s nuts. And it’s really stressful. It’s really competitive. I’ve heard stories of roommates who don’t talk to each other because they’re competing against each other for the same jobs.
Whatever you think of Wall Street or our Ivy League schools, there’s a social cost when so many of our most promising young adults eschew jobs in the public sector or in more productive sectors of the private economy. But these kids are going to Wall Street less because it fulfills some kind of private calling than because Wall Street and these institutions of higher learning have basically colluded to move them in that direction. For other sectors to compete for top talent, they’ll need to study what Wall Street has done and emulate it.
Whoa. 70% of Harvards apply to Wall Street?! So much for changing the world.
I graduated Penn in 90, and I don’t remember any bum’s rush by recruiters. But then again, I was studying Arabic Literature…. Some of the guys on the rowing team with me ended up bankers etc, but they were all Wharton.
Yet another pathetic distortion of our society by the finance industry..
Exactly.
Skimmers make lots of money skimming and wave skimmed cash at smart people with connections and/or pedigrees and mediocre people with connections from elite schools to perpetuate skimming operations.
Seduction to corruption. With added benefit of co-opting smart folks who could be potential adversaries.
Pretty basic – you don’t even need to be that smart to connect any dots. See cash, say yes.
But the model is as demanding as it is foolproof.
If you are a Midwestern manufacturing firm without access to a perpetual skimming machine that allows you to wave skimmed cash in volume at the elite graduates at the elite institutions it’s not going to work for you.
So no, learning what they do to recruit won’t help any firm without access to a skimming machine. UNLESS, they realized that the skimming is hurting them, too and decided to back regulation that would right-size the financial sector and make actual value contributing sectors more competitive for the top talent. A complete fantasy, I realize.
To a large extent these people used to aspire to start as junior faculty heading to a tenure track or lawyers, both careers now in eclipse or extreme long shots compared to near immediate 6-7 figure incomes.
My comment was aimed at the financial firms on Wall Street.
The consulting firms have always been the high fliers for work experienced (esp. engineering)/MBA’s in particular. The elite schools have more of those types than the second tier schools who have a richer mix of green (no relevant meaningful work experience) MBA’s.
“Whatever you think of Wall Street or our Ivy League schools, there’s a social cost when so many of our most…”
Yeah.
These people turn into psychopaths and sociopaths, who
think they rule the world.
Even though, the vast majority of them are the recipient’s of the’ LUCKY SPERM” meet’s ‘Lucky Egg Club!
Disgusting………………….
Yves Smith over at Naked Capitalism wrote about the same thing. I suggest you read it, plus the comments:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/08/why-wall-street-and-consulting-firms-win-at-the-elite-college
-brain-drain-game.html
But these kids are going to Wall Street less because it fulfills some kind of private calling than because Wall Street and these institutions of higher learning have basically colluded to move them in that direction.
Also, because who doesn’t like to make oodles of money? Yeah, a lot of them burn out after a few years. As Yves said in her post, and comments, Wall Street is also looking for a very specific type from these highfalutin schools.
Wonder how many of our meager supply of STEM grads go to the MIC and Security behemoths.
Well, I didn’t (graduated in 2011). However, can you blame the ones who do? At career fairs, that’s all there is. My school even had engineering/math/CS specific career fairs each semester (the fall one is much better), and most of those listed are MIC/security, or oil/gas:
Link
Sample:
Aerojet Rocketdyne
BAE
Baker Hughes
Raytheon
B/E Aerospace
Bechtel
Caterpillar
CIA
Dow Chemical
Exxon
General Dynamics
General Electric
Georgia Pacific
Gulfstream
Halliburton
Heron Systems
Honeywell
Jacobs
Lockheed
McQ
Military Sealift Command
NAVAIR
Naval Research Lab
NAVSEA
Pratt and Whitney
Rolls-Royce
Boeing
The Aerospace Corporation
And that’s just without looking to see what each company is/does.
I won’t fault any grad who goes for a high paying job. It is a bit sad to me, though, that the high paying jobs all seem to be with entities like Wall Street and the MIC.
We already produce too many STEMs.
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/11/5888407/even-if-you-have-a-stem-degree-you-probably-dont-have-a-stem-jo
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Recently I listened to an interview with an economist Richard Wolff. Did he write a book “Conversations with Great Minds?” He bemoaned the shortcoming of privileged U.S. universities for not having the economics of Karl Marx on the curriculum. He mentioned Harvard, Stanford and Yale which he attended.
Quite different during the period of the Berlin crisis in the Cold War, in high school we could opt for Russian as foreign language and in technical college we were offered/required to read some of the books by Karl Marx, etc. What has been a great asset, we also got a course how to distinquish propaganda and learned about communist revolution, agitators and crowd/mind control. Geez, quite helpful in dissecting the colour revolutions of late and the critical moments of false flag attacks.
There was a great article on this in the Yale Daily News by a student a few years ago:
http://yaledailynews.com/weekend/2011/09/30/even-artichokes-have-doubts/
It’s really worth reading since you see the students’ points of view. Also she updated it here:
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/another-view-the-science-and-strategy-of-college-recruiting/
I was very sorry to learn while googling for it to post here that the author died in a car accident just after graduation.
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/marina-keegan-student-journalist-who-took-on-wall-st-dies-at-
22/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
On the plus side aren’t they making room for us publicly educated yobs to take over the government?
Judging by the amount of Ivies in Obama’s admin the answer is no.
“Very few of the freshmen kids…”
Perhaps not thinking exactly in those terms, but how many kids when asked “what do you like to do?” the answer is “I don’t have a clue”, and their advisers surely respond with “You like to make money, no?” They then go into freshman year intending on doing just that when they are finished. Because everyone wants to make money, right?
Things like “credit default swaps or hostile takeovers” are just a means to an end, just like “cosmetic surgery” is for doctors and “litigation” is for lawyers.
As one who never second guessed my interests, I’ve often been envied for “knowing what I wanted to do”. I can’t explain how I knew other than I simply considered my options. I could have been a rock musician (had my own garage band), could have been a photographer (was developing my own film at 16), could have been an artist (but my brother was one so I nixed that), and last but not least, did reasonably well with biology subjects and had a lively interest in the forest other than going there to smoke weed.
I had no idea then that I would eventually be investigating vector borne disease cases in cooperation with the local health department.
I would have expected that a substantial number of Harvard graduates went on to post-graduate education. This story seems to be limited to those who took jobs with just a B.A.