I went to bed musing about what I see as a complete disconnect between how a lot of voices on the progressive left are viewing the nomination of Merrick Garland and how I view it. I woke up thinking about the same thing, and how I might best articulate the difference. Before I could begin writing anything, though, I saw Nancy LeTourneau’s piece on the same subject. What she captured was a certain consistency of outlook between the president and his three Supreme Court nominees. At its root, this is a preference for patient, pragmatic organizing.
It’s more than a preference, really. It’s a belief that this is the best, most effective, way to make a positive difference. I encourage you to read Nancy’s piece to see what I’m talking about. I think it’s important to understand the point she’s making. But it’s still slightly different from what’s bugging me.
What set me off on my musings was a piece by Brian Beutler: Why Would Obama Nominate an Old White Guy to the Supreme Court?
I still find it jarring that we’ve gotten to the point where Jewish-Americans can be characterized as “old white guys” as if they’ve been an accepted part of the political and social elite since the “discovery” of America. In truth, Garland’s grandparents fled the Pale of Settlement in the early 20th-Century. They weren’t on the registry of the Daughters of the Revolution. In fact, there isn’t a single white Anglo-Saxon protestant on the Supreme Court and there hasn’t been one since John Paul Stevens retired in 2010. That seems a little surprising considering that there are 150 million protestants in the country, and they still make up about 47% of the population. For most of our history, the Supreme Court has been made up entirely of protestants, almost all of them men. It was extremely important to get a broader representation of the country, including Jews, Catholics, women, and (under Obama) a Latina. I’d say, however, that it’s no longer remotely accurate to argue that the Supreme Court is the exclusive province of WASPs since there are no WASPs on the court. It’s even more inappropriate to characterize Merrick Garland as just one more non-diversity pick in the WASPy tradition of the Court.
To be clear, I’m not reacting to a reasonable desire people have to see representatives of historically underrepresented groups on the Court. I understand why most blacks feel that Clarence Thomas misrepresents them on the Court. But it’s taking things way too far to complain that Merrick Garland is just another old white dude. Maybe it’s a sign of the tremendous progress Jews have made in gaining acceptance in our country, and in that sense this is a positive development. But it’s also a little insulting, and misleading.
Still, what really got me thinking was the way that Beutler characterized the decision the president had to make. I read the following and it just about gave me a case of whiplash:
There was a profound and straightforward political logic for Obama to nominate a judge like Leondra Kruger, who would’ve become the first black female justice in U.S. history, or Jane Kelly, who’s a female former public defender and a resident of Iowa—home of embattled senator and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley.
Nominating anyone along those lines would have fulfilled a promise to make the court more representative of the nation and drawn attention to the Republican Party’s desperate, power-mad commitment to keeping the Court the same, and their blindness to the merits of having a more diverse court—even if it means handing the nomination power to Donald Trump.
A nominee like Garland, by contrast, cedes all of these advantages to the Republican Party. It allows them to say, in effect, “See, this has nothing to do with race, or gender, or even ideology. We just want the next president to pick Scalia’s successor.”
Why do that? Perhaps the White House reads the politics differently.
This is 180 degrees away from how I viewed this decision. I want to reiterate that I completely reject the idea that picking a Jewish-American is somehow a rejection of making the Court more diverse and representative. But, more than that, I can’t agree that the goal here should have been to make the point that the Republicans are opposed to more gender or racial diversity on the Court.
First of all, the Republicans (and their presumptive nominee) do a fine job of making clear that they are not the party for racial or religious minorities. We don’t need a high profile fight over the Supreme Court nominee to drive home that point.
Secondly, racial animus and religious bigotry are not what is driving the Republican strategy of obstruction here. They actually like Merrick Garland despite him not being a follower of Jesus Christ. What picking a candidate the Republicans like has done is highlight that this isn’t about anything other than power politics. And that’s precisely what makes their position so indefensible. After all, progressives aren’t solely disappointed that Merrick Garland is an “old white dude;” they’re primarily disappointed that he’s seen as a moderate, centrist judge. Had Obama picked Leondra Kruger or Jane Kelly instead, their ideology would have been the main subject of debate rather than the tactic of total obstruction.
But let’s not tip-toe around this issue here. It’s made much more explicitly by Markos Moulitsas:
Let’s game this out:
1. You choose someone to showcase GOP radicalism. This was Obama’s approach. Pick a moderate jurist who’s been previously praised by Senate Republicans. It makes them look bad! Less crazy Republican voters, turned off by Donald Trump, decide to hold their noses and vote for Hillary Clinton because their party is a mess. But nothing stops them from voting for the rest of the Republican slate on the ballot.
2. You choose someone to excite the liberal base. You don’t peel away Republicans, but who gives a shit anyway. We don’t need them for the presidential race, and if they turn out, they hurt us downballot. But you excite liberals, help heal the party in this primary season, and that benefits us short- and long-term both up and down the ballot.
The right choice is so fucking obvious I can barely believe Obama did what he did. And this is why Clinton will ultimately be a better president than Obama—she will never try to appease Republicans or try to win them over. She knows they hate her guts, and she’s under no illusions she can change that.
Obviously, Markos viewed this pick primarily through the lens of what it could do to positively or negatively affect the presidential and congressional elections. His conclusion is that the president did the same, but just made an idiotic strategic choice. It would, in Markos’s view, be much more effective to nominate someone who would excite some segment of the Democratic base, which would be completely outraged when the first (you pick ’em) Asian-American or black woman or other traditionally underrepresented group was disrespected. Also, someone with clearly defined left-wing judicial views would obviously be a non-starter with the Republicans, but would also mobilize and energize the left for precisely this reason.
Let me make a few points about this, including some that should be obvious.
Most people see it as a problem that the Supreme Court has become so politicized, but it’s still seen as somewhat legitimate for one side to object that a judge is too far out of the “mainstream.” The Democrats established this standard when they (and several Republicans) rejected Robert Bork. If the Republicans could hide behind the cover of that kind of objection, they’d pay much less of a price in the court of public opinion. It’s a coy move to nominate someone progressive enough to satisfy the hard left and then try to hide behind the fact that the nominee is Asian or Latino or LGBT, but it isn’t exactly an honest argument. If the objection is primarily ideological and related to judicial outcomes, it’s a cheap trick to say that the objection is racial or religious. It might be effective at mobilizing the base, but it’s hardly noble.
There’s also an assumption in Markos’s reasoning that no nominee will be confirmed, so the only thing that matters is how the nomination plays with the public. I don’t know who would volunteer to be the piñata in this scenario, but picking someone that the next Congress will be no more likely to confirm than the present one would be problematic to say the least. Obama’s goal is to put someone on the Court, not to use a worthy nominee as a prop in an election year argument. If, at the end of the day, the nominee has to be discarded, why would anyone agree to be the nominee?
More than this, though, this whole way of thinking is based on defeatist thinking. The president is trying to break the Republicans’ resistance to confirming anyone, to hold hearings for anyone, to even meeting with anyone. By picking the chief of the DC Circuit Court of Appeals, he’s already broken the last taboo and created divisions in the Senate Republicans’ ranks.
Now, I was among the first to say that the Republicans would never agree to let President Obama select Antonin Scalia’s replacement, so I understand why this is assumed to be the case. In truth, however, by picking Merrick Garland, the president has probably proven me wrong. Should Hillary Clinton win the election in November, I’m fairly sure that the Republicans will confirm Garland in the lame duck session that follows. In fact, getting private assurances to this fact was probably essential to convincing Garland to accept the nomination at all. If the Republicans renege on those private assurances, Hillary Clinton will have no problem resubmitting the name of a judge who her husband nominated to the DC Circuit. So, Garland will sit on the Court, one way or the other, unless the Republicans win in November.
I don’t think we could say the same thing about a nominee who was picked, as the Republicans predicted they would be, as a sacrificial lamb intended to mobilize the base. Even if the Republicans lose control of the Senate in the November elections, they’ll still be able to filibuster a nominee they don’t like, and the more ideological the nominee the easier it will be for them to sustain that filibuster.
Finally, there’s the issue of Garland as a prospective Justice. Some people think he’ll be to the right of the four pre-existing Democrat-nominated Justices, and some people think he’ll fit in to the left of Elana Kagan. He’s strong on environmental and labor issues, and more suspect on issues of criminal justice and privacy. Based on that, he’ll probably be strong on most, but not all, issues that progressives care about.
It’s important not to see him as some sop to Republican intransigence. He’s perhaps the best credentialed judge in the country, a former clerk to Justice Brennan, a valedictorian at Harvard, and someone (as Nancy pointed out) who fits neatly into Obama’s preference for pragmatic consensus-building change.
I know it’s tempting to build your email and donor lists by going for maximum outrage here, but this pick made sense. He’s a solid pick and it’s a solid political move, too.
He is just another white guy. Can we please have people who went to law schools other than Yale or Harvard?!?
Are you going for maximum non-responsive assholery?
So, you don’t care about law school diversity? Good to know.
Yeah, that’s the part of your comment that offended me.
Why? So you’re okay with all Harvard and Yale judges? Are you okay with this:
http://twitter.com/CoreyRobin/status/710470328019980288
too?
Your sarcasm detector needs to be turned on.
January 5th, 2009
Not as long as the GOP Senate remains but one brick short of lunacy. They know what happens on the SC when there’s diversity as to law school and religion.
I’m a feminist and I support affirmative action, and I find it disconcerting that people object to Merrick Garland’s appointment on the basis of his color and gender. Obama has appointed two women already, one of them a Latina, and the short lists made public for this appointment included diverse candidates. His three selections as a whole have moved the court toward reflecting the composition of the country. I hope very much that court’s composition continues to move in that direction, but I also don’t think white guys are ineligible until the perfect balance is reached – that’s crazy.
Also, I find it hilarious that Kos has now fully drink the Hillary Kool-aid. It’s especially hilarious to see given what he wrote 8 years ago.
Kos is about making money.
Kos is about getting Dems elected.
While making money. Its why he focuses on more instead of better.
when did that start happening? doesn’t seem to be true to me and a lot of the people I interact with
The only demographics I care about are age and health, but on the issues, where does Garland stand on:
What’s missing from that list?
criminal justice issues: sentencing, racial bias, death penalty,…
4th Amendment.
Okay – so there’s the full list – now … is Garland on the non-progressive side on any of these??
The guy that writes Scotus blog documented some problems in the criminal justice ares.
Booman,
I agree 100% here.
I’ll reiterate my comment from yesterday, which is that I don’t think that enough progressives understand just how extreme the Scalia wing of the court is/was, and how there is comparatively very little difference between a lefty on the court and a moderate, whereas there’s a huge difference between a moderate and a Scalia/Alito/Thomas.
The originalist analysis basically discounts any notion of fairness or any tendency to look at the possible outcome of the judicial decision. Basically, all real-world impact is removed from analysis, and you’re left with this entirely academic game of “what the founders were thinking.” Of course, this greatly limits what the constitution can do, because our system (both belief and politics) have changed so much over the past 200+ years.
Any normal jurist will not only look at the founder’s intent, will look at a variety of other factors in their decisions, including real-world impacts, legislative intent, how similar issues fare elsewhere in the world, etc.
That’s why I’m fine with the pick. In a perfect world, we’d get an underrepresented minority and/or female justice, but I think many on the left are failing to appreciate how much difference Garland vs. Scalia will make. This pick manages to highlight Republican intransigence AND move the court in a hugely favorable direction. This is a win-win.
Ginsberg and Breyer aren’t going to be on the court forever, and Hilary will almost certainly have her chance to pick someone.
I still say: I trust the President.
There is more to the Supremes than a semi-isolated positions on certain selected issues. Outside the single issue idiocy, all people (including Supreme Court Justices) are a gestalt. None of them will satisfy the most fervent supporters all the time. None of them will enrage their most asinine detractors all the time.
Obama is a centrist. A classic center-left. A man who practices moderation in nearly everything. I have listened to despair from the left and rage from the right about him for 8 years now and the the story never changes.
He’s not playing dimensional chess, he’s practicing politics. The art of getting as much of what you want as possible while giving away as little as possible of what you don’t want. It took some time in the beginning for him to realize that he was bargaining with himself, but he’s learned and grown.
He’s made a solid choice that fits him to a T. If you don’t like it, it says as much about you as it does about Obama. There are realities involved here, and wailing and gnashing of teeth about “old white men” is a singularly childish thing. Nothing written here is going to influence anyone in any responsible position.
I don’t doubt that the coming election had an influence on his decision. I also have no doubt that it was a minor, “all else being equal” influence. Obama is a politician, but he is not about bend the arc of the universe to play games with his legacy at this point.
He’s made a solid choice that fits him to a T. If you don’t like it, it says as much about you as it does about Obama.
LOL!! Why should we be happy? Why should we be pleased with anything less than say Goodwin Liu(as just one example)?
Because there is 0% chance that Liu gets confirmed if Obama nominated him now.
There is at least some change Garland does.
You’re making the classic progressive mistake of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. (And in this case, very damn good.)
Be happy because Garland replaces Scalia.
Recognize that courtesy plays a role in SCOTUS nominations and confirmations and is at a higher consideration when the Senate and WH are held by different parties.
Ah, yes. 11 Democrats certainly illustrated that with their Clarence Thomas votes to replace Thurgood Marshall.
Let’s look at those 11 Democrats:
Alabama Richard Shelby
Arizona Dennis DeConcini
Georgia Sam Nuon
Georgia Wyche Fowler
Illinois Alan J. Dixon
Louisiana Bennett Johnston, Jr.
Louisiana John Breaux
Nebraska J. James Exon
Oklahoma David L. Boren
South Carolina Ernest Hollings
Virginia Chuck Robb
Notice a trend?
Only Chuck Robb’s seat is currently held by a Democrat. Shelby has been a Republican since about two years after this confirmation vote.
Were they being punished? I would not bother for such, myself. But most Dems don’t do that, they just suck up such betrayals all the time.
I wish that once in a while, like, say, every blue moon, you would make a sincere effort to understand my point rather than doing everything you can to not get it.
I am sure that their performance on that issue really inspired the AA female bedrock of Southern Democrats to get out and vote. Blue dogs hanging on by their fingernails by voting with Republicans doesn’t work.
Well, I see I was dead wrong.
http://madamenoire.com/614146/did-you-believe-anita-hill-back-in-1991/
It’s true that Democrats in conservative states and districts can only get away with being Republican-Lite until a wave election hits them, but that has nothing to do with my point, either.
My point is that the Democratic Party you are referring to no longer exists. The Democrats who voted for Thomas are not the kind of Democrats we have in the party today, especially in the Senate.
You can keep talking about how “The Democrats” do this and the Democrats do that, but it doesn’t mean anything.
Is the Tea Party contingent growing or declining? They might be nuts, but they extract accountability.
I don’t know if they are growing or declining. I do know they have not accomplished anything. What they wanted to do, what the Republicans promised them they would do, was stop Obama from enacting his agenda. They lost at virtually every turn. Obama stopped the Reagan revolution and turned the country left.
He’s leaving a majority coalition, the first Democratic majority since FDR. This means that if we turn out our vote – the Obama coalition – we win. If we don’t fuck it up, we win for decades into the future. That’s how the New Deal led to the Great Society. Eisenhower was the Republican Bill Clinton in the 1950’s. He won despite the majority coalition.
Along came the Reagan coalition which ruled for decades and led us to 2008. The score since then is Obama a huge winner, Tea Party loser. That’s why the Republican party – marching toward the crazy for decades – has run screaming off the crazy cliff. They lost.
The US is a country with a Constitution that insists that the politicians compromise, that requires huge majorities to make sweeping change. Absent that, winners win by playing the long game, taking a step at a time for years and years.
first Democratic majority since FDR’s…was blown up over the Vietnam War. It lasted until 1968 and held on in the states even longer.
We now have a Presidential majority that George Bush and his War created, and a slim/questionable Senatorial majority.
We are being picked off state-by-state. And it can be even more perilous in the states for citizens. This also does not bode well for the US Senate, given voter rights hanky-panky.
We are poised to have a SC majority that might roll back some of the excesses if given time.
Obama is well-liked by all Dems, but he did not make millennials leftists– neoliberalism did, imo.
Incrementalism and class structure works….until it stops working.
I think you should reread your history. The FDR coalition lasted until Johnson and Civil rights. the FDR coalition died when the Dixiecrats abandoned the Democrats for the Republicans. That created a majority Republican coalition that ruled for decades.
We now have the Obama coalition. There are enough votes in that coalition to rule for decades.
All of this misses the point. Your demands for ideological purity on the left is the same as the tea party demands from the right. Somehow you think this is a good thing. I think it is a strategy that is guaranteed to lose. Just like the tea party lost despite the fact that they are awfully good at “demanding accountability”.
Why do you want the left to imitate a bunch of losers?
You are the one demanding ideological purity and falling in line, imo.
I lived that history, sir. How old are you? Forced school integration and busing blew up the Dixiecrat alliance over time and prepared the way for Reagan. Most of them were already voting Republican by LBJ’s time. http://www.tolerance.org/magazine/number-25-spring-2004/feature/brown-v-board-timeline-school-integr
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The Vietnam War blew the Democratic Party apart in 1968.
It was a generational and a class split.
I lived it too. The Democratic party began to split apart over race in 1948. LBJ certainly had the FDR coalition when he crushed Barry Goldwater in 1964. Vietnam did not split the party. The Democrats were pretty much entirely against it before 1968. That’s why Johnson quit. Humphrey lost the Dixiecrats to Nixon’s southern strategy and lost the election.
But who cares now? The issue is whether the left should behave like the tea party. I think that would be stupid. I don’t understand why you disagree.
I also don’t understand why you think I want ideological purity. I was happy to get the votes of Blue Dog democrats. I didn’t like their vote other times, but they are gone now – not ideologically pure enough, you know – and all their seats were lost to the tea party in 2010. If I was a candidate, I’d happily take money from Goldman Sachs or the NRA too. They probably wouldn’t be very happy about what their “investment” netted them, but that’s their problem.
I’ll take your vote too, but I don’t really give a shit whether you fall in line or not. Its your vote.
Who DO you think was Nixon’s Silent Majority? Blue collar Dems.
Johnson was premature in claiming civil rights as the immediate issue, thought it might have been correct in the long run at the state level. For many cycles,pure Dixiecrats continued to vote Dem locally and Republican, presidential.
But Johnson was unaware of what the War was gonna do to him and his party at a later date, at the national level.
Sigh. You forgot to answer the question. Why do you think the left should imitate the tactics of a bunch of losers like the Tea Party?
Exactly: Blue Dogs fit your playbook of centrism. If they were better on reproductive rights, they might still be around. Social Democrats (for lack of a better term) do not fit the party well any longer. BIG differences.
Am I not writing clearly?
Why on earth do you think the left should imitate a bunch of losers like the tea party?
It astounds me that you seem to think that making politicians accountable is wrong.
Were Dems acting like Tea Party-ists when they did not show up for the wreckers? Like Lieberman?
I don’t understand what you are saying here. The Tea Party has had next to zero success and has led directly to Trump. This is a good idea for the left? Why?
Quite a haystack you have created. Now I am saying that I want a Trump.
What is inherently wrong with applying accountability? Whether it done by people in tricorner hats or by your employer?
A single exception doesn’t change or invalidate long standing rules of conduct and courtesy. (Although those exceptions totally engage those on the left and right for years and years and then they miss all the important stuff that comes up in the interim.)
The Thomas nomination was a total failure on the part of Democrats in that instance and they have no excuse. But liberal/leftist critics at that time didn’t make a strong and solid argument as why he shouldn’t be confirmed. And probably the Senate Judiciary Committee wasn’t in the most capable hands. At it’s core the nomination was an insult to Thurgood Marshall, his seat on the SC, and his legacy. Had DEMs been a minority in the Senate, it would have been right and proper for them to filibuster the nomination.
But do you really think the GOP controlled Senate today would be as lame as the 1991 DEM controlled Senate? GMAFB.
At least SEN DEMs grappled with filibustering Alito — it was a tough call — but SEN DEMs could have played it better (and no I don’t mean denying him confirmation by filibustering).
Weren’t the GOP threatening to go nuclear if they filibustered Alito? or was that a different time
The Frist led Senate “nuclear option” threat was over GWB lower court nominees. Some truly dreadful nominations. The Gang of Fourteen sorted it out.
But Harry Reid did pull the nuclear option trigger in 2013.
And as usual I think he can get more and give away less than he’s doing and I think he’s less likely to want to get more because like HRC, he’s center left as you said.
I dont doubt it says as much about me as him. It says I think our society needs a fundamental reordering to cope best with the future and Obama thinks the system is still up to the challenge. Disagreement same as it ever was from when he posted diaries on DKos.
I would like to say in this case ‘diversity’ matters to me not at all. But privacy sure as fuck does.
We need diversity on the Supreme Court. If Garland was chosen because he is Jewish then the whole diversity trope collapses. If he gets the job, 30 % of the court will be Jewish. Jews are a minority of, I think, only 2 or 3 percent in the country, while 12% of the senators are Jewish, or am I wrong. What I want to say is that Jews are not a discriminated minority like Hispanics or African Americans. Sanders is running for president, while no one seems to make a fuss about his Jewish background, least of all himself. To diversify the court I suggest that a wasp finally get the nod. That might go some way to restoring balance. From 1987, three of the four Chairs of the Federal Reserve have been/are Jewish. The other bunch in the Court consists of Catholics, with two, now one, being Italian American. And being Italian American myself I can tell you with absolute certainty that ‘my people’ are, as a group, one of the most politically regressive and reactionary in the US. Maybe I’m emotionally negatively biased.
Jews are a minority of, I think, only 2 or 3 percent in the country, while 12% of the senators are Jewish, or am I wrong.
You’re not wrong. I think the percentage of Senators was higher a few years ago, before Levin retired and Feingold was defeated. It will go back up if Feingold wins in November, as expected.
Five Catholics now with Scalia gone. Every Republican jurist was/is a Catholic male.
Shorter: the “liberals/leftists” squawking aren’t looking at all the relevant factors necessary to evaluate this nomination and/or are blinded by one or two of their personal must haves and fail to recognize that they aren’t going to get those at this time and for this SCOTUS seat.
Smart move on Obama’s part.
I still have very mixed emotions over this nomination, but I’ll just leave it at that.
Not a horrible choice, by any means, but coulda been better. Given the circumstances, makes some sense, however. I’m well aware of Merrick Garland and his record.
I feel the same way. He’s older than I’d prefer and not as far left as I’d like. His mistreatment isn’t going to inflame a particular minority group whereas Scalia was selected in large part because Reagan knew Italians would get behind him even though many disagreed with his political views. But he seems a very good man with a sound intellect. It’s hard to imagine he won’t do a good job. I doubt he’ll wind up signed on to many opinions with the conservative wing in opposition to the liberals.
“You can’t have that” as the cherry atop the Dem voter’s decision that weak incrementalism is they way they are safest.
mino — you and I agree on practically everything, but in this one instance I don’t think you’re looking at it from the correct perspective and weighting all the relevant facts correctly. This is a situation when it’s best to temper “what I want” with “what’s the most I can get.” (Well, actually I always temper “what I want” with what’ the most a real Democrat could get,” but that tends to escape others because they have such low expectations of the possible from DEMs.)
This one isn’t Obama selling out. If he’d been as smart as this for most of what he’s done in office, he’d have a much better legacy.
If a republican wins the GE, they will likely retain control of the senate and will name their own justice. If Hillary wins and wins the senate, they will confirm Garland, as the least worse choice for them in the lame duck. If they retain control of the senate, the assholes will control the process. But I suspect they will still confirm Garland in the lame duck to get it behind them and not risk a huge PR problem.
From what I have heard, Garland would not be my choice but he is safe. OTOH I agree with this:
“she will never try to appease Republicans or try to win them over. She knows they hate her guts, and she’s under no illusions she can change that.”
That is one of my disappointments with Obama. Me thinks he has tried a tad too hard to be a bi partisan President.
Sorry, this is willfully blind to the facts:
“she will never try to appease Republicans or try to win them over. She knows they hate her guts, and she’s under no illusions she can change that.”
But it’s a nice fairytale the partisan DEMs keep telling themselves.
“Sorry, this is willfully blind to the facts:”
Marie, I am one of those partisan dems but here are the facts, as I see them. She knows they hate her guts from over 20 years and the more recent Benghazi hearings. She would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to feel their visceral hate for her and she knows from 20 years of it that it cannot be changed, she cannot appease them. Goodness it is even heavy on facebook, where they all want her in jail for her emails. Now I can’t “prove” what she is likely to do but I don’t think that all this is a fairy tale. It is reasonable to say she will not try to appease them.
I suppose you can say she will let it slide as Obama has done. I think she is not at all like Obama, and so she will fight them, when she can. As I said I would like it better if Obama had taken them on. I think this Garland pick (albeit not my choosing) is a good way to stick them in the eye. A liberal pick would energize our base but would give the republicans ammunition, something of a balancing act.
YMMV as always.
Facts that you didn’t admit into evidence:
Richard Mellon Scaife. Read the section on Clinton. No bigger enemy of the Clintons in the ’90s than Scaife.
Recall that HRC’s “enforcer,” David Brock, was a prime mover and shaker in Scaife’s “Arkansas Project.”
Back in 2007 Murdoch hosted a fundraiser for HRC. If we could get a better peak behind the curtains we’d see far more.
Ignore the Kabuki — that’s just popcorn for the rubes. Why go after her on Benghazi? Simple — there’s no there there. It’s a bunch of garbage that satisfy the GOP rubes need to be outraged over something, something Clinton. And the DEM rubes need to defend all things Clinton and continue to cite this as evidence that the R/W is always on a Clinton witchhunt.
They never touch anything where there is some there there. (Lewinski was serendipitous and once uncovered couldn’t be withdrawn because the GOP rubes in Congress are also marks. Newt (who was in on part of the game) urged his Newtlets not to go there but they were too crazed by then to stop.
Walmart:
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And that’s just one of many corporations that have grown and profited by their association with and patronage of the Clintons.
Yes, it is probably not a bad idea for billionaires to spread their money around a little. And Bill made deals with Newt, when needed. But do you really think Hillary thinks they will be her political allies? never say never but I doubt it.
How long do you plan to say, “Yes, but ..?”
Do the dots not connect for you until there’s the smoking gun of a quid pro quo?
This is what I detest about partisan politics and one area where “both sides do it” is completely true. The Bushies and Clintonites are two sides of the same coin. As long as “their guy” is attacked by a broad-based voice from the other side, “their guy” must be defended and supported regardless of anything he/she does.
I think you just refuse to acknowledge that Hillary has faced some really tough times and is not likely to be easily appeased. That does not mean she will not compromise or even that I like her all that much. It goes to my belief in her state of mind. Obama seemed always to be searching for some illusive bi partisan agreements and the grand bargain. Hillary I doubt it. So Markos’ comment makes sense to me.
You are taking your cue from Sanders about her being too close to Wall St. I don’t care for that either but it does not mean she is in the republican’s pocket. Those dots connect for me. “Yes, but” is my trying not to be dismissive of your points. Sorry you didn’t get that.
Watch watch what she does with school privatizations. (A special area dear to the bank accounts of the Bushes and Waltons.) Obama just got his Arne Duncan II approved by the Senate. The only Dem Senator who voted against him was the one from his state, NY Kirsten G.
Hillary is a centrist, another term for Obama. I would much prefer Sanders. After five more loses and a black out on MSM it appears his revolution is delayed. My hope now is slim. Would I could change that. There are so many things need to be done for the middle and lower class. I don’t expect much from Hillary but maybe she will resist another grand bargain.
Won’t resist it; so, the hope has to be that she will have as much difficulty packaging it as she had packaging health insurance reform. The hope for me is a very slender reed after watching all the DEM power players and small fish getting totally in line with her. That’s a much large faction of DC DEMs than Bill had to work with when he shoved through all his deregulation (anti-New Deal), neoliberalism, policies.
“They” want the “Grand Bargain” and have been working to get it since 1935 and “they” are almost there; so, they’re not about to give up on it until they get it.
billmon:
All in the Family
(HRC does or did have another “family” that DC based prayer group with the creepy pastor.)
Additional commentary from billmon:
oops left off the best part of the additional commentary:
Gonna be a busy lame duck session, what with passing TPP and TTIP. And now a SC nomination…
Boy, I tell you, if you lived down here in east Texas, you’d have to know that Jews, and particularly those originating from north of Dixie, are not exactly reglar Amurcans in the sense it is understood here. Hell, even Catholics aren’t.
That being said, it never occurred to me that a person with a name like Merrick Garland was a member of the House of David.
Which is just my way of saying, Boo, that I am in complete and utter agreement with your sentiments here.
He seems fine and accomplishes our short- and long-term goals adequately. I just wish he were more of a spring chicken. He’s not exactly a Pope Benedict, but still.
Me too. Part of it is because I agree with Marie3 about the norms of this nomination. He is replacing the most important Conservative justice with a Republican senate. No matter when this happened, Republicans get a say and they have a right to expect a moderate choice.
The only reason to rub their nose in it with a Progressive is because they are all such dicks. That only makes the toxic politics worse. It justifies the both siderism in the media.
Obama has always stayed within the norms and he is not going to change now. He wants government and politics to work. As this fight goes on, Obama wants the fight to be about Republican obstructionism. He wants that to be a huge election issue if they do not cave on Garland. He wants the electorate to punish the dicks for being dicks. Maybe after a November pasting they will decide not to be such dicks as they put together a tattered party.
The last thing Obama wants to do is make the nominee an issue. The other factor here is that Garland would take it while others might not. This is his last crack and he would take it even without the likelihood of a lame duck appointment.
The unwritten rules of the game – the rules that make it all work – is that Democrats can nominate another RBG when they also control the Senate and they are replacing a liberal.
The idea that even if Democrats win in the fall and Garland gets rejected but is renominated by a democratic president makes my blood absolutely boil. There are far better people to sit on that court and you can do better (lefter) than that in a situation where dems control the WH and the senate.
On the other hand if he gets rejected and not resubmitted (my hope) or if he gets confirmed even in a lame duck, I’ll only be mildly irritated.
I get where you’re coming from and agree in the sense that I’d like to get someone 15 or more years younger. As far as his politics, it’s hard to gauge where his opinions will fall. The president is in a better position to judge than you or I and I trust his judgment.
I find reading his opinions or summaries of them useful. You usually cant hide your judicial philosophy after as many years on the bench as Garland.
The Republicans, in my view, tried to bite off too much. They were in a great position to influence the nomination and make sure Obama chose a moderate. In other words, someone like Merrick Garland. We can be pissed that Obama gave them that without a fight but they would have found substantive reasons to object to a liberal and run out the clock. Honestly, I think they could have gotten a compromise candidate further to the right if they made clear that was their price. That would have given Obama cover to cut a deal. Garland was as far to the right as he could go without cover.
Had the Republicans run out the clock on a liberal nominee, this would have resulted in another story about how the parties just can’t work together. It would have pissed off whatever minority group had been backhanded but it wouldn’t have mattered to so-called Independents (those who don’t pay attention to politics). The blame would have been allocated to both sides. By choosing Garland, all the blame falls squarely where it belongs, on the obstructionists. Even Republican partisans are having a hard time blaming Obama.
The Republicans have no moral or precedent-based argument for denying Obama a shot at appointing a justice. What liberals like us don’t get is how effective the “refusing to do their job” argument is with those who don’t pay attention to politics. Every dumb shit knows they can’t get away with refusing to do their job. So why, Mr. Republican Senator, should I cast my vote for you when you won’t do what you were sent to Washington to do?
Spin, spin, spin as they might, no amount of spin can justify or explain to a good hunk of the politically uninformed why it’s reasonable to deny the nominee hearings or a vote. This is one way or making Republicans pay a price and it’s way more effective than Markos Moulitsas understands. It’s way more effective than is intuitively obvious to people like us because we pay attention to politics and can already see how disgusting and self-serving Republicans are. To those who don’t get it, this makes it obvious. It forces Republicans to defend phone calls and messages along the lines of “Do your fucking job, asshole.” “We’re making a new rule” does not fly in the face of this.
Obama is going to turn Republican obstruction into an election issue. He is going to tie this to the government shutdown, the debt ceiling, the Republican refusal to consider doing anything about the pressing issues of the day for the past eight years from gun safety to infrastructure building.
“Want Washington to work again?” He will say. “The Republicans have to be punished for obstruction. Washington doesn’t work because Republicans won’t do their jobs. Washington won’t work again until voters teach them a lesson.”