Despite the irrational exuberance of certain self-proclaimed gate crashers, the Democratic Party has a serious problem with young voters, i.e., the so-called Millenial and Gen X generations. Take a look at this report by the Pew Research Center and tell me they shouldn’t be concerned about voter turnout and support for Hillary Clinton.
Among Millennials, the youngest generational group (born 1981-1994), 45% say they are independents, a jump of six points since 2008. At the same time, the share of Millennials who identify as Democrats has dropped from a peak of 35% in the year Obama was elected to 31% today.
There is a similar pattern among Gen Xers (born 1965-1980). Currently, 42% say they are independents, 29% are Democrats and 24% align with the GOP. In 2008, 34% each said they were independents or Democrats, while 25% said they were Republicans.
So, since 2008, the election that swept Obama and many Democrats into office, due in large part to the votes of young people, with 66% of those who voted voting for him, we’ve seen a not insignificant decline in Millenials and Gen Xers who say they are Democrats. This is occurring even in liberal bastions such as California, as reported by the Los Angeles Times on February 29th of this year. The title of the article is quite apt: A threat ahead: California Democrats losing the fight for younger voters
The state Democratic Party convention held here over the weekend presented an occasionally jarring contrast: Democrats gathered at what seemed like a 50th college reunion for veteran politicians, and at the same time one of the biggest rounds of applause came at the mention of Bernie Sanders, the presidential candidate few of those politicians support.
At a Saturday convention panel focused on millennial voters — roughly those 35 and under — voting analyst Paul Mitchell issued a warning to Democrats. […]
“… Democrats aren’t converting … young minority voters who are the base of the Democratic Party.”
Of the 10 cities with the highest percentages of independent voters, he said, all but one are Latino-majority cities. That is jarring, since Democratic strength in the last generation has been built on the growing Latino population. […]
“Regardless of whether you’re with Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton, there’s no question that right how Bernie Sanders has the overwhelming majority of the millennials,” said [Eric Swalwell (D-CA 15th Dist.)], who endorsed Clinton after his first choice, former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, dropped out. “Whoever is the candidate, as a party we have to understand why that is the case.”
Why that’s the case is the candidates themselves. To young voters for whom she has been a life-long presence, Clinton looks like a captive of establishment politics. Sanders, with his call to “political revolution,” is the blunt-speaking fresh face.
Among millenials voting in the Democratic party, Bernie Sanders has consistently won the millenial vote by a wide margin, even among women and minority millenials. Even though Sanders lost 4 states (with one tie) on Tuesday, he dominated Clinton among younger voters. In Illinois, North Carolina, Ohio, Missouri and Florida. Here’s the breakdown by state:
Florida: Sanders won 65% of voters under 30.
Illinois: Sanders won 86% of voters under 30, and 58% of those 30 – 44.
Missouri: Sanders won 78% of voters under 30, and 61% of those 30 – 44.
North Carolina: Sanders won 81% of voters age 17-24. He also won 65% of those aged 25-29 age group, and 51% of those 30-39.
Ohio: Sanders won 87% of voters aged 18-24; 76% aged 25-29; and 57% aged 30-39.
But that is only among millenials who voted in the primaries. Unfortunately, more millenials are independents than belong to either party by a large margin. Arizona is a typical example, with “… 50.5% of all voters under the age of 30 … registered independent.” And in 2016, millenials have surpassed Boomers as the largest voting bloc in the country. Yet in the 2014 election, only 21% voted. That is a shocking statistic.
Now, it’s true that in presidential election years, turnout among all groups is higher, and in 2012 around 55% of millenials voted, with 60% of them voting for Obama (down from 66% of the youth vote he won in 2008, but still significant). However, Obama was a once in a lifetime candidate who brought record numbers of Americans to the polls either to vote for him or against him. Thankfully, because of high voter turnout among minorities and millenials, he won those two elections handily. But can the current front runner for the Democratic Party’s nomination, Hillary Clinton, realistically hope to achieve the same level of participation and support among the largest group of voters in America in 2016? That is a question still to be answered.
Obviously, this year, only one campaign and one candidate has inspired millenials to become passionately involved in the political process in 2016: Bernie Sanders. However, what if he is not on the ballot come November? One can hope that millenials will turn out in large numbers this year to vote for Clinton, if only to defeat the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald Trump, but there are no guarantees that will indeed happen, despite some recent polling that shows her leading Trump among by “a margin of 52-19 percent among voters under the age of 35.”
A lot can happen between now and November. Even many Clinton supporters recognize she is a deeply flawed candidate with many vulnerabilities, including her ties to Wall Street. Those ties are an anchor on her ability to woo Sanders supporters. Indeed, in the recent Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, 33 percent of Sanders’ supporters stated that they would not vote for her in the general election. Again, it is early, and who knows what will happen over the course of the next 7 months. But to suggest that Clinton will have little difficulty gaining the trust and support of younger voters is, frankly, delusional thinking on the part of her supporters.
Without that support, and in light of all the barriers to voting by minorities and other Democratic party constituencies created by Republican controlled statehouses across the nation, Hillary’s path to the Oval Office is far from a sure thing, regardless of her opponent in the Fall.
Will the whining be deafening?
Sanders will campaign for Clinton.
I hope he will spend his time supporting the House and Senate candidates who supported him and his policies.
You mistake Sanders’ voters for a voting bloc that will move en masse to whoever Sanders’ supports.
Not really. Sander’s message is what might be transferable.
Oh, you were not replying to me…
No. I’m saying these specific voters — the young kids who are on fire for politics for the first time — could be persuaded by a few fiery Sanders speeches to support Clinton.
I’m talking about the same group BooMan is: college kids who never really thought about this before. I vividly remember what that was like: I can envision the 19-year-old version of myself being all “Bernie 4ever! Hillary Never!” but then being persuaded when my guy made a good speech about it.
Those that are only going with the excitement and enthusiasm for Sanders among their peers won’t show up for Clinton. They didn’t even show up for Obama in ’12 because he didn’t deliver the changes they’d hoped for. They don’t respond to Bill’s old schtick and Hillary doesn’t even have an old schtick that no longer works.
The difference is summed up in memes of the two support groups. “I’m with Her” for HRC and “He’s with US” for Sanders. Top down vs bottom up. Some of the Sanders’ supporters can be bullied into compliance with “Trump (Cruz or Kasich) is stark raving mad. Remember 2000. etc.” However, if one has no doubt that one’s future will be bleak or worse if income/wealth inequality and climate change are addressed head on and now, it doesn’t matter all that much if it HRC or Trump. They don’t even believe that if elected Trump or one of the others could actually do any of the crap they’ve promised. And they aren’t as blind to the DEM collusion in creating income/wealth inequality and dismissal of climate change as DEM partisans are. That’s why they aren’t registering as DEMs.
Very wrong. They will predictably show up in traditional numbers, persuaded by Sanders, Warren, and others who have supported Sanders. Some will vote Green as a protest, and others will be smart (like you) and will remember Nader and warn them that division or indifference has toxic results.
That would only prove that Sanders is a lying sell out like she is. You’re more likely to drive them to Trump or to disengage politics entirely.
The Democratic party seems complacent about being a Minority Party, in both senses of the word. Gerrymandering means that those remaining Democratic districts will be heavily Democratic and with the Supreme Court invalidating the old Voting Rights Act, party bosses could be very happy to stay king in their ghettos.
Your comments my friend seem to reflect a case of serious self absorption, you seem to believe that because Democrats are not as concerned with your opinions as you are they’re doomed.
Reality check my friend, your opinions (right or wrong) are your’s and no one else’s…if everything you have to say about anything is about your opinion of said things then everything you have to say is about yourself and no one else…and therefore irrelevant to everyone else.
Make a point that’s not about you but someone not you and maybe your intelligence could be better perceived.
This is a political blog, not a psychology forum.
Difficult to tell some days. Lots of mind-reading and armchair psychs here (appears to be based on Psych 101 (which is when people most seem to know everything about other people) and a tabloid psych articles and a self-help book or two). In the old days, they would hae been EST graduates.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane. EST was born at the same time I declared psychology as my undergraduate major.
Oh those EST grads were obnoxious. Self entitled permission to be a dick and a narcissist.
Did you ever run across or read Ernest Schachtel’s Metamorphosis: on the development of affect, perception, attention, and memory ? Not so easy to find, but sort of the godfather of modern cognitive psychology.
I am not familiar with this work, but a quick review indicates that I missed something, too. Thanks for the tip.
The restlessness of youth is as it ever was, today’s youth are tomorrows old folk, a lesson time teaches each and everyone of us, you try do what’s best because, as time teaches, old age, like youth is fleeting.
With due apologies I post this under your post because I can’t post a straight comment for some reason.
say, stitch together random trite platitudes?
(If so, very impressive! Kudos to programmer.)
Might also explain “straight comment” posting inability? (Assuming the Trib has some way of filtering/screening for bots, which I actually sorta doubt.)
I don’t think HRC gets how big a problem this is for her. Younger voters are breaking more for Sanders than they did for Obama and the age break is higher as well at 44 years old.
At the end of the 2008 primary, Obama and HRC could sing Kumbaya and 95% of HRC supporters followed. That’s because those voters were old and partisan DEMs. Had HRC won the nomination, fewer than 95% would have followed. And whatever that number for her in ’08 would have been, it will be less than that this time around. And this one can’t be papered over with HRC borrowing more Sanders’ speeches. Young people can see through her lies.
Poorer turnout of youth combined with resistance to her type of governance. Sanders HAS educated this cohort. So just who will be doing the whining when they don’t fall in line. Downballot could get ugly, too. We will see.
Yes, precisely. So let the Buyer’s Remorse phase officially begin!
The willingness and likelihood of each faction’s voters to turn out for the opposing (Dem) candidate is thought not to matter and easily remedied. Quite wonderful how the super-sophisticated Super Delegates seem clueless to this little dynamic…
I’m far from a millennial, but can you blame them? Sanders is the only one even faintly making noise about the issues young people care about, namely, runaway college debt, privacy and digital rights, marijuana legalization, etc. Establishment Dems seem to mostly shrug their shoulders at this stuff.
If Americans were half-way smart, they would be insisting that the TPP and TTIP be voted upon BEFORE the elections.
No lying from candidates.
that would be a smart thing for Americans to insist on, such “insistence” would be insufficient to persuade the Senate to go along with your plan.
I know. That should tell one something right there.
If such “insistence” is not going to happen, then where is the “political revolution”? This has been my problem with Sanders all along. Love his message. Don’t believe in the means to those ends.
I’d like to see them vote on that bill for repatriation of billions hidden from US taxes offshore by scofflaw corporations. Not likely to happen til the lame duck, either.
nor that it won’t.
It should! I hope it does! I just doubt it will lead to the result mino wants (me, too!)
My only problem with Bernie’s “means to those ends” is that I’m convinced the only revolution likely to be sufficient to save us from ourselves would have to be quite a bit more radical and sweeping than what Bernie seems to mean by his “political revolution”.
But ya gotta start somewhere. At least he’s at the correct end of the Overton Window, pushing it in the direction it needs to go (has to go if we’re to avoid the main body of the shitstorm that’s already started [e.g., migration crisis] and is cued up to get orders of magnitude worse quite quickly, without radical changes in how we do many things).
Younger voters consistently have an appetite for bold change to actually deal with challenges. And the majority of them wat bold change in a liberal direction. Its no wonder they aren’t satisfied with incrementalism.
It’s not even incrementalism. The problem is likely with the Dem party as a whole. Democrat politicians, when they are not corporate sell outs, can identify the problems facing young people: stagnant wages, rising rents and housing prices, student loans. The thing is they usually offer nothing but excuses as to why solutions can be found or they propose policies that will do little to nothing.
Even the ACA, improvement though it is, has high deductibles even the better plans have $1000 deductible. And it will cost people $500/mo unless they qualify for subsidies. People are not stupid, and blaming the GOP only goes so far when you have 59 senators and 58% of the house. (111th congress)
Obamacare paid for itself by both forcing ypung people to get inurance or making them pay more. It might be better on the aggregate but for people 20-30 who could go on their parents insuance it made their lives harder with minial benefit.
Couldnt go on the insurance, i mean
I find the way older Dems talk about young voters quite nauseating. “The kids aren’t inspired by the nominee, so they won’t show up blahblahblah.”
Bullshit.
I wish to the Imaginary Sky Wizard old people would stop trying to explain young people. It never goes well.
They showed up for Kerry, even though they wanted Dean. They showed up for Obama twice. Millennials are politically engaged in presidential years. (They need some work on midterms, but that’ll come with age.) They’re not the emotional clowns they’re made out to be by Boomers.
They know the stakes. They hate Trump, and they know Hillary’s a hell of a lot better than anything on the other side. Bernie and Obama out there on the campaign trail will bring them along.
It ain’t the olds out there in the streets confronting Trump and his brownshirts. The Millennials aren’t going anywhere.
Do you think their noted absence in the primaries from 2008/2012(?) levels is that they don’t really care who the Dem candidate is?
Basically. I think Bernie’s energized a very passionate subset of the Millennials within the larger group that Obama energized. I think, for the most part, the talk of Bernie energizing young people and new voters was largely hot air.
That, plus everybody assumes (rightly, it would seem) that Hillzilla will win. (If she can’t beat the 74-year-old socialist from Vermont, she probably shouldn’t be running for president anyway.) So turnout’s down.
It doesn’t sound like you have been to a Sander’s rally; because, besides young people, there are many middle-aged people there who feel disaffected. The media wants people to think that Senator Sanders is just the latest infatuation of college students.
I’m sure there are. I’m not sure what that has to do with a discussion of young voters.
I’m also not sure why people continue to confuse anecdotes about voter profiles at rallies with broad generalizations about the electorate.
It’s always nice to make things up to support your conjecture. But facts are nice too. First, no 18 to 26 year old (as of Nov ’16) today could possibly have been in a subset of Obama’s ’08 vote. Second that age demo is voting at a higher rate for Sanders than those that were that age in ’08.
Massachusetts DEM primaries;
’08 – Obama 511,680 (31.4%)
’16 – Sanders 587,716 (48.7%)
It is true that Obama’s ’08 AA vote in most states has gone to HRC by 78% to 90%, but a whole lot less has been showing up to vote.
The ’12 vote totals for Obama were down by 4 million and if not for increased AA participation would have been down by more.
Why 26, I wonder, and why only a discussion of Massachusetts?
Nice cherry-picking.
And love the downplaying of black folks, as if they don’t count.
I’d have thought you more intellectually honest than this, Marie.
LOL. As if you’d have an interest in and pour through reams of data if it were presented. (Not that space in a comment section of a blog allows for posting that volume of data.
Also, gotta love the condescension of Clinton supporters towards Sanders supporters. At least a few on Twitter.
It’s Twitter. Who cares? I mean are we talking about people like Joan Walsh? Lol
Also I see al Giordano has stated he’s “come around” to HRC. Kind of funny considering his condescension and hatred of her over the years. He was supremely anti-Terry Mac (so was I). Now he rolls over? Saying she’s “listening” this time? I don’t see a difference between 2008 and 2016. Same woman. Same campaign.
I was on Al’s The Field during the 2008 primary and clearly recall his disparaging but well founded comments
about Hillary. I found the link to Booman Tribune from Al.
Yeah. Especially with his experience of neo-cons south of the border. Bewildering.
Pod People? Best hypothesis I can come up with. Well, maybe not the best, but like a virus or drug that flips multiple switches in brains. These are people that not so long ago would have heard HRC praising Kissinger and seeing pictures of the two all cozy with each other and have been outraged. Now it’s as if they hear and see that and it doesn’t compute for them.
Bill and Hillary have an even more and longer problematic list of sleazy connections and business dealings than they did in 2008. Recently we read right here about their connections to private colleges that reaped over $200k for her in a speech and over $16 mil in phony fees for him, plus State Department funding for the college in question.
Partisan DEMs and this point in time don’t care about anything other than electing Hillary POTUS. They don’t care about what she has done in the past, what she stands for and with whom, or what she’s most likely to do in the future based on her record. THEY DON’T CARE.
The truth doesn’t matter to them and anyone that dares to point it out wrt Hillary or Bill Clinton is nothing but a rightwing sleazebag that is trying to take down their idols.
Obama has been a fucking disaster for young people. His entire administration has concentrated on jobs for H-1Bs, their wives, and other foreign workers. The recent OPT extension will create hundreds of thousands of jobs for not-Americans. His position on illegal immigrants has brought in thousands and thousands of those, and this too has cost jobs for American kids, American lower-class folks, and others.
It has been clear for a long time that he doesn’t give a shit for American workers.
Hillary and Bill’s Clinton Foundation has hired hundreds of H-1Bs. They don’t even try to hire Americans. Nauseating.
There you go again with “illegal immigrants”. “Americans” is a dumb benchmark. It all comes down to wages. If capitalists are taking advantage of foreign workers, I want the NLRB on their ass.
Young Americans are immigrants. We are the Rainbow Coalition. Stop your divisive and racist rhetoric. We want no part of it.
As you are 29 or so in a tech field, you have 6-7 years. Better watch your back. Me, I’ll be retiring in a couple years. I don’t need to worry about my career. Yours is not going to be long. The need for cheap-ass workers is immense. Since you are too dumb to fight for your own job, it won’t be there for long. Remember Disney? Remember SC Edison? Toys-R-India? Hertz? IBM firing 100,000 this year alone? 120,000 American workers replaced with cheap-ass scabs from India this year alone.
Yep, they came for the Disney workers and you just whistled. They came for the SC Edison workers, and jerks like you just said “Oh, we need more foreign workers running US nuclear plants”.
When you get to train your replacement, no one will be there to help. Aeronautical engineers are not immune to this problem, unless you need a security clearance. Obama will soon be chipping away at that limitation too.
So, solidarity today, solidarity tomorrow, but next week its unemployment.
Only morons call others racists also. Remember, a person using the term “racist” is too stupid to actually understand the situation. That would be you.
People who bash Latin American and Asian immigrants are racists.
The end.
Christ on a bicycle, the fuck happened to people here?
People who see racists everywhere are paranoid loser dumbfucks.
The end.
One day, you will pull your head out of your butt, probably when you are getting laid off. Here’s an interesting discussion:
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/16/news/economy/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-us-election/index.html
are terrible for the American worker. I am a supporter of his but I disagreed with the OPT extension when President Bush did it and I disagree with it when President Obama has done it. Same with proposals to up the number of H1-B visas.
That said I think you are mistaken about his policies when it comes to illegal immigration. Illegal immigration from south of the border has dropped (mainly due to the economy) and Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than any President before him. Not to mention the border is more secure than ever and E-verify is being used more than ever.
Frankly to get immigration from south of the border to drop even more we need to change our policy on subsidizing corn. The adverse effects of NAFTA were multiplied exponentially by the fact that we flooded the market with cheap US subsidized corn thereby driving Mexican farmers out of business and causing a a lot of migration across our borders in an effort for survival. Not only should we stop subsidizing corn we should transition those subsidies toward subsidizing labor intensive crops like citrus, strawberries, etc. That would raise wages in those fields to the point where more Americans would be willing to do the work.
Our agricultural subsidies, and using dumping on the Mexican market to destroy their subsistence agriculture.
https:/oxfamblogs.org/fp2p/how-much-does-us-corn-dumping-cost-mexican-farmers
Same thing our trade policies are doing to several African nations–any so foolish as to let our lobbyists corrupt their elites. Killing subsistence agriculture and setting up famines to go along with climate change.
Reuteres House Speaker Ryan says contested Republican convention more likely
Trump and the Trumpsters may be loons, but at least their not wimps. They’re double-daring the GOP to show their cards and display that the nomination has always been rigged.
Anyone want to wager that the elite DEMs would be similarly tearing their hair out and preparing for a “contested” convention if Sanders were leading? Would have been nice to see the masks of both parties ripped off in the same year. But guess DEMs will have to wait until 2020 for the fun on our side.
How many more states lost in 2018?
Depends on how many are gained and lost in ’16.
How many Dem governors running on raising the minimum wage?
That’s always a winner for DEM pols when they have nothing else left to run on and they’ve participated in letting the minimum wage lag behind inflation for a period of time. My question is how many are running on raising the minimum wage and fixing it for all time?