Goldman Sachs is now telling their investors that the chances of a government shutdown are fifty-fifty, which is their way of warning that a sharp downturn in the markets could be right over the horizon. But a possible stock market collapse due to a temporarily shuttered government is a fairly small risk compared to the likely result of a default on our sovereign debt if the debt ceiling isn’t raised before the end of September. Another distinction between the two is that there are fallback options if Congress can’t come to a deal on spending. They can pass a continuing resolution that keeps the government operating at current levels and give themselves more time. But they have to raise the borrowing limit or else we won’t be able to pay our bills.
In some sense, we can consider everything optional except the debt ceiling. The Republicans would like to rewrite our tax laws and our health care laws. They have ideas for how to change how the FAA operates and how flood insurance is sold and regulated. They’d like to use the CHIP reauthorization bill to advance some of their agenda. They can, and most likely will, fail at all of these things without it doing much, if any, damage to the economy or the country. Likewise, they’d like to base government spending on their own priorities, not the priorities laid out in President Obama’s last year in office. But if they have to continue the old spending regime to keep the government operating, there’s no real harm in that. They need to reauthorize defense spending, too, and they have some important priorities to advance in that process, too. But they can punt on that if that have to. It’s only the debt ceiling that represents a heart attack-level of seriousness. They can’t fail on that effort.
President Trump is already pre-spinning failure, however.
I requested that Mitch M & Paul R tie the Debt Ceiling legislation into the popular V.A. Bill (which just passed) for easy approval. They…
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 24, 2017
…didn't do it so now we have a big deal with Dems holding them up (as usual) on Debt Ceiling approval. Could have been so easy-now a mess!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 24, 2017
These would not be Trump tweets without lies attached, and it’s absurd to blame the Democrats for “holding up” debt ceiling approval. The Republicans are to blame for needing Democratic votes, but they have majorities and the vote on the debt ceiling cannot be filibustered. Since they do need Democratic votes, they can’t make demands. Even the Trump administration doesn’t think they should make demands. Trump’s problem is that too many Republican officeholders won’t listen to him.
Yet, the meat of Trump’s complaint here is that the Republican leaders didn’t follow his advice and have now created a mess. If this is an attempt to herd the congressional Republicans into passing a “clean” debt ceiling bill, it might make some sense. But it looks more like preemptive blame-shifting than savvy leadership. It might look better if Trump were offering an updated plan, but he isn’t. And the ironic thing is that Trump is giving a pass to the people who are responsible for creating the mess. He blames the Democrats for obstructing and the GOP leadership for ignoring his strategy, which gives comfort to the rank-and-file Republican lawmakers who are the real problem.
As for the potential for a government shutdown, Trump is now the main culprit because he’s threatening to veto any spending deal that doesn’t have money (that the Mexicans are supposed to provide) for his border wall. The Republicans simply cannot pass such a bill because spending bills can be filibustered. So, Trump asks for the impossible. Worse, even a continuing resolution that keeps spending constant and buys more time would not meet his test. If he wants a fight right now over his wall, he’ll need to veto any continuing resolution and force a shutdown.
It appears to me that all the moves Trump is making are causing both a shutdown and a default to be somewhere between more likely and inevitable.
Nothing he’s doing even touches on children’s health or the FAA or flood insurance or defense spending, so leadership and a strategy on those must-pass bills is completely lacking. And the Republicans have about twelve legislative days in September to accomplish all of these things and supposedly to make progress on tax reform as well.
It’s getting close to the endgame now. The piper has arrived and he’s demanding payment.
Everything that has proceeded this moment was essentially fun and games. Now the shit hits the fan.
I have no deep thoughts or startling insights to add except to say that….I’m glad you decided to come back from the woods, BooMan.
What is the tie-in between the debt ceiling and the Mexico Wall funding and shutting the government down?
Anyone know yet?
Seems to me that the vulnerability the House GOP faces is Democrats doing nothing, making GOP fingerprints very visible on whatever is done.
Two things
With all dems on board probably enough votes to over ride the veto
And as Booman wanted
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/schumer-trump-elections-commission
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) on Thursday called for President Trump to disband his shady “elections integrity” commission and said that Democrats would seek to do so in a government funding bill Congress needs to take up in September.
Sounds like bluffs all around.
Even if they just have a good ole fashioned shut down the markets will be affected negatively. Trump could lose whatever support he has. So maybe this whole thing about the wall is a bluff. I understand the dems won’t go for it. Anyway here is what CNN says about it:
link
It’s not a bluff. Trump and the Republican Congressional leaders have two different agendae: they’re trying to pass legislation, and he’s trying to shore up the wreckage of his idiotic campaign promises to save face with his base.
Nitpick: “Agenda” is technically a plural noun, from the Latin “agendum”, “a task which ought to be done”:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/agendum
So the correct plural in English usage would be “agendas”, not “agendae”, the plural form of the feminine -a noun ending in Latin. Masculine is -us/plural -i and neuter is -um/plural -a.
Yes, I took Latin — two years in junior high, four in high school. These sort of misapplications rankle.
/pedant
I took Latin too, and I’m embarrassed by the mistake. Thanks for the correction.
No biggie; poor old Latin gets so misused, abused, half-understood, misunderstood, mangled, wrangled, folded, spindled, and mutilated these days, it’s easy to fall into error. Hard to believe it was once the lingua franca* of learned discourse and the educated elite across Europe, eh?
* And what a buttload of history is encompassed in that term, innit?
In other news Amazon says they will close on the Whole Foods deal on Monday. So much for monopolies.
Who expected anti-trust action under Trump? The question is what we should and can do once we regain power. Of course it’s harder to undo monopolies than to prevent them so every one he lets through will be another cost of the Trump presidency.
Who expected anti-trust action under Trump?
The last president wasn’t exactly big on anti-trust action. The big difference here is that the FTC, at least, just waved it through with out even doing due diligence.
The question is whether Amazon buying Whole Foods falls under any anti trust law. Maybe not.
“The question is what we should and can do once we regain power. “
So you figure there is nothing we can do until then? When will that be?
The reality of not tying the debt ceiling to the VA bill is that the Freedumb Caucus would have thrown a fit. McConnell will get a debt ceiling bill through, and Ryan could easily pass it by bringing it to the floor. He just doesn’t want to mix up with the nuts. In the end it’s hard to see how anything else will happen. If it’s 11 PM and the clock is ticking, will Ryan really risk blowing up the world economy? I can’t see it.
Now Trump vetoing a debt ceiling increase – that I could see.
Think you might want to include how the damage caused by Harvey will effect the donalds veto plan. There are about 1 million folks about to be flooded/subject to wind damage and the donald will be talking about a wall. Energy prices will spike as you need electricity to run refineries. We may be looking at $4 gal gas. the donald’s FEMA has been slow with actually helping people effected by floods of 2016 (eg LA is still waiting for money they were suppose to get 1/17). W, oops the donald is about to open up a space for someone to jump in….Pence.
I’ve learned to not take DT’s tweets seriously. He isn’t capable of original thought, nor does he possess the capability to formulate and carry out a strategy. He probably heard something on Fox & Friends and went with it.
Defaulting on welfare recipients is ok – they don’t have any power. Defaulting on Bondholders = Armageddon… the world’s ceiling falls in.
Under strict construction of 14th Amend.; default may not be Constitutional.
sect. 4-
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned…..
For hose interested there is a piece up on CNBC titled – Forget the wall. Here’s why Trump should shut down the government. By Jake Novak. He tells us that disasters tied to shut downs and debt downgrades don’t hold up to historical, facts. And besides the dems have to cough something up.
He doesn’t need his wall and he’s not going to get it and he doesn’t care. What he craves is the love and adoration of his cretinous followers. Trump only needs to convince his base that he WOULD build it, if only the GOP sell-outs and cowards in Congress would do what he told them to do!
The reality is that Trump doesn’t need to succeed. He rarely succeeded in business after all. He was only a master of blaming other people for his failures. What he is doing, what Trump is always doing, is pre-positioning himself to be insulated from inevitable failure by shifting the blame to others.
He needs to keep the support of the base or he’ll be impeached. But, he’s learned that all he has to do to keep their support is to talk tough and then blame GOP leaders and Democrats for any failures. Win-win. The base blames others and absolves Trump, so he can continue to bask in the adoration of their “God Emperor.”
So, Congress will posture and bluff, and eventually pass a cap increase, because while Trump has an independent power base, GOP Congress-people have to get campaign contributions from Wall Street and those contributors will not be happy if Congress tanks the Stock Market.
And Trump gets to throw up his hands in disgust and blame them. And his base will love him even more!