I heartily endorse Rachel Kleinfeld’s article in the Washington Post. I think she describes well the developments in American society that are contributing to my recent despondency. Based on the polls and the prospect of seeing President Trump defeated within sixty days, I should be feeling a cautious kind of elation, but I don’t feel anything but unceasing trepidation. The damage Trump has done is so deep and extensive, that beating him is only the beginning of a very long an unwelcoming road. And there’s also the real prospect that he won’t go quietly or at all.
What’s perhaps most depressing is the no-win choice between holding Trump and the Republicans accountable for their actions, and the consequences of not doing so. Based on Kleinfeld’s scholarly take, we should anticipate a period of political violence in this country unlike anything we’ve seen since the 1960’s and perhaps worse that that. She urges reconciliation and fighting the urge to point fingers in the interest of putting the country back on the path of consensus. I can’t ignore the solidity of her reasoning but it goes against my every instinct and moral value. This is a fight for our future, and it seems like something that must be won rather than a war that needs to be settled now for the sake of peace and security.
If the Democrats win the presidency and control Congress, I believe they should move aggressively to bolster voting rights, create universal vote-by-mail, enact strong campaign finance reform, add Washington DC and Puerto Rico as states, kill the legislative filibuster, and perhaps even add seats to the Supreme Court. They should also put people in jail who have betrayed our country and its laws. The power and resources of Congress should be enhanced so that it can legislate for itself and effectively oversee the federal bureaucracy. The power of the executive should be curtailed so that inspectors general cannot be fired at will and cabinet officers cannot serve for long without Senate confirmation. These things are defensible as ways to protect the voice of the people and restore accountability to government, but they’ll all appear to be hostile acts to the modern Republican Party. They are not well-designed to create consensus or promote political reconciliation.
Why would we reconcile with fascists, and why would fascists reconcile with us?
That’s how I see things, not that I can ignore the implications of what I am saying.
Political violence in democracies often seems spontaneous: an angry mob launching a pogrom, a lone shooter assassinating a president. But in fact, the crisis has usually been building for years, and the risk factors are well known. The United States is now walking the last steps on that path.
Partisans who would never commit violence themselves are transforming from bystanders to apologists, making excuses for the “excesses” of their side while pointing fingers across the aisle.
I have no doubt that if Trump is reelected, the left in this country will not accept it. If there’s a slightest question of the legitimacy of the outcome, this will be triply true. As for the right, they’re already on a violent spree, with “more than 50 drivers hav[ing] plowed into peaceful protesters” in the last 16 weeks. The country is about to combust, and Kleinfeld is issuing a warning:
A 1968 Gallup poll found that 81 percent of the country agreed that “law and order has broken down.” A University of Michigan researcher found in 1971 that nearly one-third of men thought that “police beating students” wasn’t violence at all — and even more felt the same about “police shooting looters.” Throughout the 1970s, America faced nearly 1,500 terrorist attacks, nearly all domestic in origin. The murder rate crept up steadily, nearly doubling from the early 1960s through the late 1970s.
To avoid this fate again, we must stop casting blame. Finger-pointing is seductive; it feels morally necessary and even essential to identifying the “real” cause of the problem. But at this point, partisans can’t agree on the real cause. The only way out is to sidestep worn arguments and begin rebuilding from points of agreement — as Colombia did when millions voted in favor of constitutional change in 1990, even if they couldn’t find common ground on whether left-wing rebels or right-wing paramilitaries were more to blame for the crisis.
I don’t want Americans at each other’s throats committing acts of violence, but I have no points of agreement with Donald Trump or his supporters or his political party. Maybe Joe Biden is the right person for the times. I hope so, because I now I’d be merciless in my approach if I had the responsibility for putting things back on a solid footing. It could be that Biden can find a middle road that works well enough without insisting on total unconditional surrender. I hope so, even if I can’t quite picture it in my mind.
Michael Cohen suggested Trump may resign this fall, so Pence could pardon him. How about if our new Congress would impeach and remove Trump during those first 20 days in January? Maybe Barr, too.
If I were Trump, I wouldn’t trust Pence to pardon me, and I would understand that it wouldn’t help me any in the state of New York anyway.
If I were Pence, I wouldn’t see any upside in it. (Which is why Trump can’t trust him to do it.)
When I see things like this Biden video, I think that he just may be exactly what this country needs right now. There’s more to him than campaign rhetoric, he is a genuinely good person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwZ6UfXm410
She’s wrong. Horribly so. There can be no reconciliation without Reconstruction, and the New Redeemers won’t go quietly no matter what.
This was probably inevitable path, and we can face it head on or paper over it. Papering over it is fruitless in this environment.
See Peter Turchin, who also argues how much Leaders and Leadership matters:
Welcome to the Turbulent Twenties; We predicted political upheaval in America in the 2020s. This is why it’s here and what we can do to temper it.
He provides this graph
The last time we decided to make nice with ‘those people’ we got Jim Crow and the Lost Cause. We took it easy on the Japanese after they surrendered, and Japan has still not come close to reckoning with its past. OTOH, Germany became a pariah, dealt honestly with their past, tried to make amends, and is today one of the world’s most admired nations.
No peace with Trump cultists. No peace with Republicans. Rub their noses in it, it’s the only way they’ll learn.
Right-wing authoritarians will support their rightful authority figure unto death. That’s just how they work.
IF Biden wins (it’s a toss-up IMHO) then Biden should attempt to bridge the divide with Republican VOTERS. He should, at the same time, call for OPEN INVESTIGATIONS of the last 4 years. The investigations NEED TO BE OPEN. If they are closed, then right-wing authoritarian voters will go all-in with Trump, and will attempt to burn everything down. Voices like Tom Cotton and Q-Anon Nazis will be there actively inciting rebellion.
If Trump wins in 2020, then it probably doesn’t matter all that much, as the rest of the Federal Government will be garroted and proud fascists installed in such a way that there won’t be another fair election as the “United States”. I wouldn’t be surprised to see blue states seceding, and a brutal civil war following. Civil War/Revolution is something I’ve seen for awhile and which I’ve been hinting at it since I started commenting here/BooTrib however many years ago (can’t search old comments unfortunately).
I’ll repeat this like a broken record every time it’s remotely relevant:
Vote early, IN PERSON. Make sure your family/friends/community are registered, and know how and when to vote early. If you MUST vote by mail, TURN THE BALLOT IN INSIDE YOUR PRECINCT.
If you think Trump isn’t going to use any and all means to prevent his defeat, then you might as well stop paying attention now and binge some Storage Wars or whatever.
Very well written, as are other posts here. I very much agree with Kleinfeld on the foundational cause of our fate is racism and the civil war, a war that has never really been reconciled and where the hatreds of the south have spread and continue to this day. I have no idea what happens next and that includes whether Biden will win or not. I continue to feel he is far too like Hillary and is not pressing his advantage. I won’t bet on the outcome.
If we win I feel something must be done to fix this mess as you outlined above. But I also am not certain that is the right path either although it is what I clearly prefer. Lose this election I wonder if this is really my country any longer as it seems increasingly a strange place.
It’s a sad state of affairs when seeking to obtain political representation for US citizens is seen as a hostile act. If we cede the power this time there is no coming back
This is easy. Trump and his crimes are symptomatic of the ongoing foreign threat against our democracy as waged by Moscow. As cynical as I feel saying it, there is nothing to unite a people like a common foreign threat. So the key is to hold RUSSIA accountable and then prosecute their American collaborators.
It doesn’t have to be red scare hysteria, but a President Biden should be consistent that the foreign threat against our way of life must be met and dismantled. This can be the genesis of a Constitutional amendment to reverse Citizens United. It can also be used as justification for reform of the judicial branch. Really it can be used to pass all sorts of reforms. But most of all it justifies the investigation and prosecution of Trump administration officials. We have to save and restore our democracy before we can move on.
We built a guillotine for Halloween.
The Democrats under Obama tried looking forward. That was a mistake in hindsight. This time, if Biden wins and the Democrats take the Senate by a good margin, show how our side (yeah, yeah, “that’s part of the problem” or some such wishy-washy platitude) can walk and chew gum while wearing a mask.
Looking back to find out how we ended up with Russian interference in our elections is crucial. So is ferreting out the judges who lied their way onto the bench. Start with Beer Dude. I’m sure there are some Senators who would love to make a very public example out of his lying self. While that is going on, start passing the popular legislation that has died in the Senate. 51 votes, goodbye filibuster. Let Manchin go on a few votes so we can use him for oversight.
Point is, make the Republicans really compete in the marketplace of ideas again. Just what they want, right?
Martin, So this is RK of the Federalist Society ? The same FS that is packing our courts with reactionary, racist judges ? Sure, she wants reconciliation because its the only way that her 2024 team – Cheney ? Jeb Jr ? Cotton ? Cruz ? Hawley ? — can again seize power. Sorry, but sometimes you’re a bit too much Josh Marshall for my taste. We need trials and jail terms for Trump, his family and their enablers. This will discourage many of the Bush Restorationists starting the same criminal behavior on 1/21/21 becasue they’ll know they cant get away with what they did in 2009.
Probably not the same person. About Rachel Kleinfeld:
Rachel advises governments and philanthropists in making major social change in democracies. As a Senior Fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, she briefs elected officials and government leaders in the U.S., UK, and other allied countries. She is a frequent speaker to international organizations, private conferences, and at major public events, as well as a media commentator.
A social entrepreneur, former founding organizational CEO, and author of three books, she is also the mother of two fierce and wonderful daughters, wife of a sculptor, lover of street food, and aficionado of bleak, unforgiving landscapes from Afghanistan to Morocco.
https://rachelkleinfeld.com/
Seems like a far cry from the Federalist Society.
https://fedsoc.org/contributors/rachel-kleinfeld. It is not clear that RK has much of an affiliation with the FedSoc, but there’s the link.
I listened to some of her discussion on absentee voting and she seemed quite knowledgeable and supportive of it, but pointed out many of the problems. So I don’t know what it means to be affiliated with the Federalist Society, for her.
If Biden wins and we take the Senate, the only question is: are we still a nation of laws? If we are, then those who broke the law need to be brought to justice. Full. Stop.
Anything else – truth and reconciliation, or whatever you want to call it – will not be able to hide the fact that we, as a nation, will not apply our laws to the people at the top. (I know, I know, this is how it normally works. But these are not normal times . . . .)
I couldn’t make it past the rancid both-siderism of the piece–which no doubt was the price for getting it to run at all–on the first pass, but maybe I’ll slog through it later.
I follow the basic points well enough, and I’ve been saying the same thing for a while now. There’s going to be shooting, substantial amounts of it, maybe as soon as election day itself, either way the polls go. This country has passed a tipping point, and at the very least we can expect some armed insurgencies along the lines of Bundy ranch escapades, and local authorities who either turn a blind eye or join them outright.
Law enforcement, border patrol, and the military are all permeated to some extent with white supremacists and they can’t even be bothered to hide it anymore; they flaunt it. We don’t go back from this, only forward. I hope we make it through.
Errr…for what it’s worth, this is Longman’s website. He’s the owner, publisher, and editor. He can write whatever he wants.
Who told Martin what to write? Or did you think I was accusing him of both-siderism? I was talking about the article he based this piece on. It has a couple of awful sentences early in, but I really think the author just included them out of necessity for editorial approval.
I see the “holding the country together” challenge as a two-step dance.
Step 1: Govern well. That means dealing with the pandemic, reviving the economy, improving health care, a Green New Deal (or something like it), dealing with the opioid crisis, criminal justice reform, anti-monopoly politics, immigration reform, universal (i.e., rural) broadband, voting and democracy reforms, etc. It’s a big list and it’s all necessary. To “hold the country together” it’s necessary that a significant, visible, and felt quantity of those benefits goes to rural and small town communities.
Step 2: Multiple, open, and extensive investigations into government corruption over the past four years. Nixon got pardoned; Bush Sr. (and his AG, William Barr) ended the Iran-contra prosecutions; Obama largely “looked forward” rather than deal with the Bush Jr. administration’s crimes and corruption. Continuing on this path will *not* help “hold the country together”.
The combination of concrete benefits from “good governance” and the repeated exposure of Trump’s corruption *could* help “hold the country together” by persuading 10-20% of 2016 Trump supporters to switch their political allegiances.
It’s the best (only?) shot we’ve got.
Meanwhile Joe gave a good speech about the president lack of interest in science as the West Coast is ablaze and near 200,000 are dead from the virus. He suggests the country will be ablaze if Trump is re-elected. Well you know Trump has little concern for Blue States. Maybe he will send help to the next hurricane on the gulf states. Fuck you Mr Trump, why not quit and run away to Moscow?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/15/politics/immigration-customs-enforcement-medical-care-detainees/index.html
“Whistleblower alleges high rate of hysterectomies and medical neglect at ICE facility“
Really? RM reporting now.